Bismillah:
Quote:I didn't disregard any of the text.
Jesus is a King. His Kingdom is in heaven. The Kingdom of believers is is the government which sits on his shoulders.
He even says, "My Kingdom is not of this world." You are right in that he didn't rule a civil government on earth but nothing which Isaiah said indicated that the government would be an actual civil government.
Remember how Jesus was crucified with the words "King of the Jews" on his cross? This is a clear fulfillment of the prophecy itself "Carry the Government Upon His Shoulders." You also ignore Isaiah as I quoted below saying that his government is from the seed of David and abides forever.
"He Shall Be Called Mighty God." So because it doesn't say, "Almighty God" it doesn't mean God? That is a stretch. There are many instances in the bible where God isn't called "Almighty". I guess in those instances the bible isn't talking about the real God huh? That is where your logic progresses?
It is not necessary that God should be called <b>Almighty</b>, but by <b>whichever name you may call God</b>, <b>it should only refer to HIM alone and no one else</b>. By calling him mighty, you are opening the door for more than one guess, because this word we may use to call men, idols etc.. it is not specifically used for God Almighty the Creator. This is what you have understand.
Quote:If the writer is not writing about Jesus than I guess he was prophesying about somebody else who would be "born of a virgin."
You deny that the Old Testament prophesies about Jesus?
What is Psalm 22 talking about?
1 My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?
Why are You so far from helping Me,
And from the words of My groaning?
2 O My God, I cry in the daytime, but You do not hear;
And in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But You are holy,
Enthroned in the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in You;
They trusted, and You delivered them.
5 They cried to You, and were delivered;
They trusted in You, and were not ashamed.
6 But I am a worm, and no man;
A reproach of men, and despised by the people.
7 All those who see Me ridicule Me;
They shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 “He trusted<b> in the LORD, let Him rescue Him;</b>
Let Him deliver Him, since He delights in Him!”
9 But You are He who took Me out of the womb;
You made Me trust while on My mother’s breasts.
10 I was cast upon You from birth.
From My mother’s womb
You have been My God.
11 Be not far from Me,
For trouble is near;
For there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have surrounded Me;
Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled Me.
13 They gape at Me with their mouths,
Like a raging and roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water,
And all My bones are out of joint;
My heart is like wax;
It has melted within Me.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
And My tongue clings to My jaws;
You have brought Me to the dust of death.
16 For dogs have surrounded Me;
The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me.
They pierced[c] My hands and My feet;
17 I can count all My bones.
They look and stare at Me.
18 They divide My garments among them,
And for My clothing they cast lots.
19 But You, O LORD, do not be far from Me;
O My Strength, hasten to help Me!
20 Deliver Me from the sword,
My precious life from the power of the dog.
21 Save Me from the lion’s mouth
And from the horns of the wild oxen!
You have answered Me.
22 I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
23 You who fear the LORD, praise Him!
All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him,
And fear Him, all you offspring of Israel!
24 For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;
Nor has He hidden His face from Him;
But when He cried to Him, He heard.
25 My praise shall be of You in the great assembly;
I will pay My vows before those who fear Him.
26 The poor shall eat and be satisfied;
Those who seek Him will praise the LORD.
Let your heart live forever!
27 All the ends of the world
Shall remember and turn to the LORD,
And all the families of the nations
Shall worship before You.[d]
28 For the kingdom is the LORD’s,
And He rules over the nations.
29 All the prosperous of the earth
Shall eat and worship;
All those who go down to the dust
Shall bow before Him,
Even he who cannot keep himself alive.
30 A posterity shall serve Him.
It will be recounted of the Lord to the next generation,
31 They will come and declare His righteousness to a people who will be born,
That He has done this.
No I don’t deny that Jesus was prophesied in the OT.
and NO also, all these verses are talking about some man whom we may consider to be Jesus, <b>but there is not a single prophecy clearly states that this person's name is going to be Jesus, and also not a single prophecy mentioned clearly that this person is going to be God.</b>
Quote:In ancient times names were often given as representations of the hopes and dreams of the parents or even of recognition of divine assistance. Names in the Old Testament had understandable meanings. For example: Abram means "exalted father," but Abraham means "Father of a multitude." Some names could even be translated into complete sentences as in Uzziel (‘God is my strength’ - Ex. 6:18), Adoniram (‘my lord is exalted’ - 1 Kings 4:6), and Ahimelek (‘my [divine] brother is king’ - 1 Sam. 21:1).2
So names are more descriptive in the Hebrew and Greek then they are in English. They often refer to the character, purpose, etc., of the one being named. The closest we come to understanding this is in Native American culture. We are familiar with such names as "Running Bear," or "Pretty Eagle, "or "White Owl" as names. These names meant something and were far more descriptive than "Bob," or "Tom," or "Sue."
When we come to Isaiah 7:14, we encounter a prophecy about the Messiah stating that his name will be Immanuel. Immanuel literally means "God is with us." This is a significant because Jesus is God in flesh:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..." (John 1:1,14).
For in Him [Jesus] all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form" (Col. 2:9).
So, we can see that a prophecy of Jesus being "Immanuel" is dealing with him being God, the word, in flesh. This was fulfilled in the birth of Jesus when the Word, known as the Son, second person of the Trinity, became flesh. We call this the incarnation.
When it came time to name the Lord, an angel the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and told Joseph to call his new son "Jesus, for it is He who will save His people from their sins" (Matt. 1:21). The word "Jesus" means "Jehovah is salvation." This is appropriate since Jesus is Jehovah, second person of the Trinity, who became flesh and is our salvation.
I could literally spend all day posting Old Testament verses which foretell Christ to a "T".
For example. When Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver we know the money was used to buy a field. Zechariah knew this would happend thousands of years before it happenend.
- Zec.11:13 And the Lord said to me, "Throw it to the potter"- the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord to the potter.
- Mt.27:6-7 The chief priests picked up the coins and said, "It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money." So they decided to use the money to buy the potter's field as a burial place for foreigners. (Mt.27:3-5,8-10)
am sorry, but <b>WHAT??????? </b>
<b>where in the NT where Jesus is called Immanuel? John 1:1 does not say that the Word is GOD WITH US, nor does it say the Word is Immanuel.</b>
The Prophecy clearly says that <b>HE WILL BE CALLED IMMANUEL</b>, means His name will be Immanuel, His mother shall call him Immanuel, <b>but this not to be found anywhere in the NT. Not even Christians of today call Jesus Immanuel. </b>
Why don’t you go and advise your fellow Christians to rename your popular celebration from <b>Christmas to Immanmas</b> instead? Or to baptize your people in the name of the Father, <b>and Immanuel </b> and the Holy Ghost? <b>There should be no problem if this name really refer to Jesus.</b>
Salam
Wael.
Salam
Wael.