Bismillah:
Quote:If you understand the nature of Jesus being fully man and fully God then the above verses only illustrate half of the nature of Christ.
if he is fully God and fully man he should be both <b>AT THE SAME TIME</b>, not half and half, means when he is God, he should be also a human at the sametime. otherwise you are telling me that they are not united, they are separated. which indicate that they are both different and not equal.
Quote:Jesus has two natures at the same time: divine and human at the same time. He is both God and man (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9).
That is what you have understood, it only shows your lack of understanding to the term GOD <b>in Greek</b>. I have explained before this point so am not going to repeat myself again. <b>The above verses prove nothing.</b>
Quote:Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (Matt. 1:18; Luke 1:35).
So what? That would make him God? Adam was created out of nothing, without a father nor mother so he is greater God than Jesus if this is how people think of God. and am not going to mention the very high position of <b>Melchizedek</b>
Quote:"He was born under the Law (Gal. 4:4) and fulfilled all of the Law of God (John 4:34 ; 8:29), even to the point of death (Phil. 2:8).
Nothing of these verses prove that he is God,<b> all other prophets too fulfilled the law of God perfectly.</b>
Quote:In His death He bore the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us (Gal. 3:13). Thus in the death of Christ the sins of His people were judged (Rom. 3:23-26) and forgotten (Heb. 8:12), and the result of His act of righteousness was eternal life (Rom. 5:18).
Again, nothing of these verses proof that he is God.
Quote:Jesus is worshiped - (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6
Jesus is prayed to - (Acts 7:55-60; Psalm 116:4 with 1 Cor. 1:1-2).
Jesus is called God - (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8).
<b>The Cow in India is WORSHIPPED, and PRAYED TO, and it is also called God</b>. does this prove anything? <b>NOT AT ALL.</b>
Plus the title GOD was given to many other people in the Bible.
Quote:He is the creator (John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17); Jesus is uncreated (John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17
The question is, <b>did he say EVER that I am the Creator?</b> Let see what God said in the Bible Ok,
If I claim somebody is a king, you would expect that king to say he is a king, at least once. In the OT God says he is God several times, why not once with Jesus in the NT? Did God change his ways? I think not, since the OT says God does not change. Here are the passages from the OT where God says he is God:
Gen 35:11 And <b>God said </b> unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins
Gen 46:3 And he said, <b>I [am] God</b>, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation:
Exd 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that<b> I [am] the LORD your God. </b>
Exd 20:2 <b>I [am] the LORD thy God</b>, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Psa 46:10 Be still, and know that <b>I [am] God:</b> I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
Psa 50:7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee:<b> I [am] God, [even] thy God. </b>
Psa 81:10<b> I [am] the LORD thy God</b>, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Isa 41:10 Fear thou not; for I [am] with thee: be not dismayed; for <b>I [am] thy God</b>: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that <b>I, the LORD</b>, which call [thee] by thy name, <b>[am] the God of Israel. </b>
Isa 45:5 <b>I [am] the LORD</b>, <b>and [there is] none else</b>, <b>[there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: </b>
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for <b>I [am] God</b>, and <b>[there is] none else</b>; <b> God, and [there is] none like me,</b> (NONE MEANS NO ONE, MEANS NOT EVEN JESUS)
Jer 32:27 Behold, <b>I [am] the LORD</b>, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
Eze 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that <b>I [am] the Lord GOD. </b>
Eze 20:19<b> I [am] the LORD your God</b>; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that <b>I [am] the LORD your God.</b>
Eze 23:49 And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that <b>I [am] the Lord GOD. </b>
So as you can see, <b>God is not shy to say I am God. </b> SO if Jesus is God,<b> then how come he never said it once like the God of the OT? This is not a coincidence</b>
Quote:John 8:58, "Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”
With Exodus 3:14 "God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’
<b>Refuted before.</b> This don’t proof his divinity at all. I will not repeat what I said before check up the previous posts if you are interested.
Quote:John 10:30-33, “I and the Father are one. 31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33 The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”
<b>Refuted before.</b> This don’t proof his divinity at all. I will not repeat what I said before check up the previous posts if you are interested.
Quote:In John 20:27 Thomas called Jesus God by saying to Jesus, "My Lord and My God". If Jesus is not God, then why did Jesus did not correct Thomas. Four verses later, it says that this is written so you might believe that Jesus is the son of God, (John 20:31). Therefore, we can see that the term Son of God is saying that Jesus is God.
The term son of God was given to many other people in the Bible. <b>will you consider them as Gods too? </b>
As regards to Thomas (by the way, this is how copy and paste sometimes <b>shows that you don’t know your Bible</b>)
The context in no way shows that Jesus blessed the testimony of Thomas for him calling Jesus God. after Jesus' alleged resurrection there were some who doubted that it was him (Matthew 28:17). Apparently Thomas was one of them. He did not believe that Jesus could have resurrected from the dead. He did not even believe the disciples when they told him that they saw Jesus resurrected. So Jesus in order to make Thomas believe that it was him who actually resurrected from the dead had Thomas put his finger in his wound.
Then after that Thomas made the exclamatory remark in verse 28, "My Lord and My God" because he finally recognized and acknowledged that it was truly Jesus that resurrected from the dead. So then Jesus blesses Thomas in verse 29 for finally realizing that it was him who resurrected from the dead.
That is all, plain and simple. Does not proof that he was God.
Why on earth would Thomas call Jesus his God anyways? What is the special thing that Jesus did to prove he was God? His resurrection? But we all believe that we are going to resurrect one day on the Day of Judgment by the will of God. <b>Plus others resurrected...</b>
Matthew 27:52-53
52The tombs broke open <b>and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life</b>. 53 <b>They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.</b>
Prophets of the Old Testament resurrected people from the dead by the will of God. (2 Kings 4:18-37, 1 Kings 17:17-22 etc.)
<b>Jesus did absolutely nothing special for Thomas to even call him God, so Thomas's remark is best explained as an expression of surprise. </b>
Other verses you have quoted from Paul am not going to comment on them because you know very well that paul contradicts the teaching of Christ, he never meet him, and those verses were not said by Jesus himself. So I cannot accept them.
we have proven that when the real God is present, we cannot call him Jesus, and when Jesus is present we cannot call him God. otherwise we will have no problem to use their names synonymously, but we have tried as we see in the OP and we have failed.
Salam
Wael.