07-24-2006, 11:52 AM
Quote:Bismillah:
<b>To the Christians who want Muslims to believe that Jesus was God.</b>
They normally give 2 reasons to prove that Jesus is God:
1- They say: <b>"When we say Jesus is deity (or even God for that matter), we do not make him the Father! he is one with the Father and therefore HE SHARES HIS NATURE", and:</b>
2- “HE IS IN EVERY WAY LIKE THE FATHER but he is not the Father".
In short, according to them, Jesus is God because <b>He SHARES THE NATURE OF GOD, and HE IS IN EVERY WAY LIKE GOD. </b>
What is bothered me the most are quotations from the Bible which shows exactly the opposite, i.e that Jesus neither SHARED THE NATURE OF GOD, nor is he IN EVERY WAY LIKE GOD. and since Christians consider Jesus to be God, am going to add after the name of Jesus in the follow verses the term “GOD” to show whether those verses are really describing the characteristics of the ONE TRUE GOD or the one who was sent by God. i.e man of God or Prophet of God.
<b>1- The Bible tells us that "God" was created from the seed of David:</b>
"Concerning his Son Jesus Christ <b>“GOD”</b> our Lord, which was made of the SEED of David according to the flesh."(Romans, 1:3)
<b>2- “God” have ancestors:</b>
"The generations of Jesus Christ <b>“GOD”, </b> the son of David, the son of Abraham." (Matthew, 1:1)
<b>3- “GOD” is male:</b>
"And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child<b> “GOD”,</b> his name was called Jesus." (Luke, 2:21)
<b>4- “God” origin:</b>
"Jesus <b>“GOD”</b> was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king. (Matthew, 2:1)
<b>5- “God”’s profission:</b>
"Jesus “GOD” was a carpenter by trade." (Mark, 6:3), "and the son of a carpenter." (Matthew, 13:55)
<b>6- "God"</b> Was the Son of Joseph:
"Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him,we have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth “GOD”, the son of Joseph" (John, 1:45)
<b>7- "God" Was 12 Years Old When His Parents Took Him to Jerusalem: </b>
"Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. And when he <b>“GOD”</b> was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast." (Luke, 2:41-42)
<b>8- "God" can do nothing on his own:</b>
"I<b>(Jesus)[</b>b] “GOD”[/b] can of mine own self do nothing."(John, 5:30)
<b>9- "God" Was Ignorant of the Season: </b>
"And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he (Jesus) <b>“GOD”</b> was hungry: and seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he <b>“GOD” </b> came, if haply he might find anything thereon: and when he<b> “GOD”</b> came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet." (Mark, 11:12-13)
<b>10- "God" was tempted by Devil for 40 Days: </b>
"And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he<b> “GOD”</b> was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan." (Mark, 1:12-13)
These are only 10 points out of thousands in the Bible to prove that Jesus was neither God, nor part of God. and in case any Christian say that he was God,<b> then you should have no problem at all in addressing him as God in the above verses.</b><b> </b>
but cant you see what happened?
Salam
Wael.
Those are 10 points out of thousands that prove that Jesus was man. There are also plenty that prove that he was God. The Incarnate Jesus was fully man and fully God.
That is clear in the context of scripture and it's been taught and believed by Christians for thousands of years.
If you understand the nature of Jesus being fully man and fully God then the above verses only illustrate half of the nature of Christ.
Jesus has two natures at the same time: divine and human at the same time. He is both God and man (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9).
Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (Matt. 1:18; Luke 1:35).
"He was born under the Law (Gal. 4:4) and fulfilled all of the Law of God (John 4:34 ; 8:29), even to the point of death (Phil. 2:8).
In His death He bore the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us (Gal. 3:13). Thus in the death of Christ the sins of His people were judged (Rom. 3:23-26) and forgotten (Heb. 8:12), and the result of His act of righteousness was eternal life (Rom. 5:18).
Jesus is worshiped - (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6
Jesus is prayed to - (Acts 7:55-60; Psalm 116:4 with 1 Cor. 1:1-2).
Jesus is called God - (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8).
He is the creator (John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17); Jesus is uncreated (John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17
He is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; 8:58 with Exodus 3:14; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8).
John 8:58, "Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”
With Exodus 3:14 "God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’
John 10:30-33, “I and the Father are one. 31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33 The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”
In John 20:27 Thomas called Jesus God by saying to Jesus, "My Lord and My God". If Jesus is not God, then why did Jesus did not correct Thomas. Four verses later, it says that this is written so you might believe that Jesus is the son of God, (John 20:31). Therefore, we can see that the term Son of God is saying that Jesus is God.
Col. 2:9, "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,"
Phil. 2:5-7, "Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness."
Heb. 1:8, "But of the Son He [The Father] says, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever..." <b>(If Jesus is not God, why does God Himself call Jesus God in Heb. 1:8? )</b>
Col. 1:15-16, "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him."
1 Cor. 1:2, "To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours."
<i>Right now Jesus is in heaven, still as, and eternally to be both God and man (1 Tim. 2:5; Col. 2:9). </i>
This is important because Jesus is the High Priest forever: "where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek,” (Heb. 6:20). A spirit cannot be a high priest, only a man can do that. Furthermore, Jesus always lives to make intercession for us "Hence, also, He is able to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them," (Heb. 7:25).