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Good biblical defense of the Trinity
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Quote:Bismillah:


First of all i would like to remind you of my simple question regarding trinity.


If you as<b> “a man” </b> told your wife a secret. Will you as <b>“a son”</b> and as <b>“a father”</b> know this secret as well or no?


again we are requesting ONE single verse from the lips of Jesus Christ where <b>HE SAID </b> i am the Creator. or I am infinite etc,,,


First <b>Acts 1:9</b> does not mention that he 'sat on the right hand of his father' this verse only says that he WAS TAKEN UP. Please note this verse does not also say that HE (HIMSELF) ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN. NO, it says HE WAS TAKEN UP, and taken up means somebody else has taken him up, another force and another power and not HIS OWN POWER.


The verse where it says <b>he seat on the right hand of God</b> is to be found in Mark 16:19


However, this verse is considered to be one of the most serious of those <b>"grave defects"</b> which the authors of the <b>RSV</b> had tried to rectify concerned the Ascension of Christ. There have been only two references in the Canonical Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and of John to the most stupendous event in Christianity — OF JESUS BEING TAKEN UP INTO HEAVEN. These two references were obtained in every Bible in every language, prior to 1952, when the RSV first appeared. These were:


"So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was <b>TAKEN UP INTO HEAVEN</b>, and sat down at the right hand of God."


(Mark 16:19)


"While he blessed them, he parted from them, and was CARRIED UP INTO HEAVEN."


(Luke 24:51)


Now please look at the image below, which is a photo copy where the quotation MARK 16:19 above ought to appear. You will be shocked to note that Mark 16 ends at verse 8, and after an embarrassing expanse of blank space the missing verses appear in "small print" as a footnote at the bottom of the page. If you can lay your hands on a RSV 1952, you will find the last six words of Luke 24:51 above, i.e. "AND WAS CARRIED UP INTO HEAVEN" replaced by a tiny "a" to tell you to see the footnote if you please, where you will find these missing words. Every honest Christian has to admit that he does not consider any footnote in any Bible as the word of God. Why should the paid servants of Christianity consign the mightiest miracle of their religion to a mere footnote?


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it is not that i think or that you think... we are talking about the correct translation of the Greek word. which if you are in doubt you have to make some research.


why not? if the same word ONE used in john 10:30 was the same when he address his disciples and other people.


Muslims believe, that Jesus was one of the mightiest messengers of God that he was the Christ, that he was born miraculously without any male intervention (which many modern-day Christians do not believe today), that he gave life to the dead by God's permission and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by God's permission. In fact, no Muslim is a Muslim if he or she does not believe in Jesus!


the miraculous birth of Jesus however, does not make him a God or a "begotten" son of God the Holy Quran says:


"The similitude of Jesus before Allah (God) is that of Adam; He created him from dust then said to him: 'Be', and he was." 3:59


Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified, but rather that someone else was made to resemble him and crucified instead of him. The Qur'an states that he was raised up to the heavens where he will await until the day when he will be sent back to earth towards the end of time. Allah says: "<b>And because of their (Jews) saying boastfully: 'We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, Messenger of God.' But they killed him not nor did they crucify him, but rather the resemblance of Jesus was put in another man (and they killed that man). And those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no certain knowledge; they follow nothing but conjecture, for surely they killed him not. Rather, Allah raised him up (body and soul) unto Himself. And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, Most Wise. And there is none of the people of the Scripture (i.e. Jews and Christians), except that he will surely believe in Him (that he was really a messenger of God) before his (Jesus') death. And on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them."</b>4:157-159


Jesus, son of Mary will be returning to this world before the Day of Resurrection. He will return to become <b>a leader of the Muslim nation.</b>


"And he (Jesus, son of Mary) shall be known sign for (the coming of) the Hour (Day of Resurrection). And follow Me (Allah) This is the Straight Path (of Islamic Monotheism, leading to Allah and to His Paradise)." 4361


The Prophet Muhammad has prophesised that Jesus will return and judge mankind with justice. He will descend by the white minaretin the east of Damascus, placing his hands upon the wings of two angels, and will fight against the Antichrist (Dajjaal) until he reaches the gate of Ludd (present-day Israel), where he will kill him. after that he will die as all human being.


Salam


Wael.

So...who was a greater prophet? Jesus or Mohammed?

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