Bismillah:
Quote:However you said this, "not only Muslims, many Christians sects do not believe that Jesus is God. they only consider him as Lord and son of God. and of course both terms does not mean "God"<b></b>
I tell you that if a "christian" denies the deity of Christ than that person isn't a Christian at all.
am sorry, but those Christians whom you say they are not, also say the same thing about you. they say Jesus is not God and anyone say he is, then he is not a true Christian.
now for people like me, how will i know which one is really 'true' Christian and which is not?
please note that the very first groups of Christianity such as the Ebonites, the Cerinthians, the Basilidians, the Capocratians, and the Hypisistarians. The Arians, Paulicians and Goths also accepted Jesus (pbuh) as a prophet of God and NOT AS GOD. Even in the modern age there are churches in Asia, in Africa, the Unitarian church, the Jehovah's witnesses, and even the majority of today's Anglican Bishops do not worship Jesus (pbuh) as God.
In the British newspaper the "Daily News" 25/6/84 under the heading "Shock survey of Anglican Bishops" We read
Quote:"More than half of England's Anglican Bishops say that Christians are not obliged to believe that Jesus Christ was God,
according to a survey published today. <b>The pole of 31 of England's 39 bishops shows that many of them think that Christ's miracles, the virgin birth and the resurrection might not have happened exactly as described in the Bible.</b> Only 11 of the bishops insisted that Christians must regard Christ as both God and man, while 19 said it was sufficient to regard Jesus as 'God's supreme agent'"
But what is a messenger of God? Is he not "God's supreme agent" ?. This is indeed what God Himself has already told us in the noble Qur'an 1400 years ago, and exactly what Jesus (pbuh) himself testified to in the Bible:
"And this is life eternal, <b>that they might know thee the only true God</b>, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
John 17:3
believe me CC, with every passing day, the most learned among the Christian community are slowly recognizing the truth and drawing closer and closer to Islam. These are not Muslims who issued this statement. These are not "liberal" Christians. These are the most learned and most highly esteemed men of the Anglican Church. These men have dedicated their whole lives to the study of the religion of Jesus, and their study has driven them to the truth which God had already revealed to them in the Qur'an 1400 years ago: That Jesus was not God. That God is not a Trinity. And that the stories of the ministry of Jesus in the Bible have been extensively tampered with by the hands of mankind.
The Church, as <b>Heinz Zahrnt </b> put it "put words into the mouth of Jesus which he never spoke and attributed actions to him which he never performed." One of those who has shown that most of what the church says about Jesus is baseless is Rudolph Augustein in his book "Jesus the Son of Man."
Another very comprehensive study of this matter can be found in the book <b>"The Myth of God Incarnate" </b> which was written by seven theologian scholars in England in 1977 and edited by John Hick. Their conclusion in this matter is that Jesus was <b>"a man approved by God, for a special role within the divine purpose, and..... the later conception of him as God incarnate ... is a mythological or poetic way of expressing his significance for us." </b>
ALSO... A University of <b>Richmond professor, Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found ancient documents concludes that "</b>....
Quote:The (Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son of God are later additions.... what the church said about him. Such a claim of deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades after Jesus' death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism. The first three decades of the existence of the church were within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of Jesus."
consider the following verses from the Bible which does not talk of any trinity. i also ask you to show me ONE SINGLE verse where it says for example, "hear o people, i am God three i one or three persons" there is NONE CC.
1."Know therefore this day, and consider [it] in thine heart, that the LORD <b>he [is] God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: [there is] none else."</b> Deuteronomy 4:39.
2."Thou shalt have <b>no other gods before me</b>." Exodus 20:3
3."For thou shalt <b>worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name [is] Jealous, [is] a jealous God:</b>" Exodus 34:14
4."Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: <b>that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no savior."</b> Isaiah 43:10-11. (MEANS JESUS IS NOT SAVIOR CC, IT IS ONLY GOD THE FATHER)
5."Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; <b>I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God."</b> Isaiah 44:6
6."That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west,<b> that [there is] none beside me. I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else."</b> Isaiah 45:6
7<b>."For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else." </b> Isaiah 45:18. (MEANS JESUS IS NOT THE CREATOR AS YOU CLAIMD)
8."Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for <b>I [am] God, and [there is] none else."</b> Isaiah 45:22
Now you should begin to ask yourself: If there was no god before or after God Almighty, then how was Jesus (pbuh) "begotten" as a god? The answer is: he was not. He was a mortal man, not a god. We even have the testimony of the majority of today's Anglican Bishopsin defense of this basic truth. If we want the testimony of a trustworthy witness then how much more trustworthy a witness shall we ever find than the majority of the most learned and respected conservative Christians of the Anglican Church?
Salam
Wael.