06-16-2006, 02:04 AM
Wael,
The real issue here is Christ. If you don't accept Christ as God then of course you aren't going to accept the Trinity.
Christ is infinite, His life did not begin at conception in Mary, he was not created at that time. He has been with the Father since before the creation of the world, in fact Christ was an integral participant throughout creation – Hebrews 1:2. He was, is and always will be. He ascended into Heaven to seat at the right hand of His Father to rule – Acts 1:9.
2) Look at this simple logic that can be found in the first chapter of John again, you think that John 1 means "a god." I don't think it does. I've responded to that question before.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
THE WORD = GOD
John 1:14, 15 “The Word became flesh, and made His dwelling among us, and we have beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. John bore witness of Him..."
JESUS = THE WORD
Logic declares that if A=B and B=C then A=C. Therefore, since
JESUS = THE WORD and
THE WORD = GOD, then
JESUS = GOD
3) Some more verses:
Titus 2:13 "Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus."
2 Peter 1:1 "...by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ."
Hebrews 1:8 "But of the Son He says, 'Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever.'"
Hebrews 1:3 "The Son is the radiance of His glory, and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven."
Colossians 2:9 "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form."
Romans 9:5 "...and from them (the Jews) is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God overall, forever praised"
As far as Christ's bodily creation on earth, yes, he was born of the virgin Mary. Indeed Christ wasn't fully God and fully man until he was born of Mary. So, Christ was the firstborn. Does that mean that Christ didn't exist before is bodily birth on earth? No. We know quite the opposite as outlined above.
In context when Jesus said, "I and my Father are one", he means just that. Of course He is also one "in purpose" since He and God are one literally.
And not all mankind is part of the Trinity. However, to have communion with God you must come through Christ.
Some questions for you about Christ, since He is the heart of the matter...
Muslims believe that Christ didn't die on the cross and thus wasn't resurrected. When and how then do Muslims believe Christ died? Surely Muslims believe that Christ, a prophet suffered death on earth...afterall Mohammed Allah's greatest prophet died a physical death did he not?