06-07-2006, 01:33 PM
Wel Mel. Respectfully I think that we are coming to a wall in our little debate.
You've shown a tendency to throw words around like "science" and "miracle" when it suits you.
When something in the Qur'an is blatently "unscientific" you say that its a "miracle" and that I am confused for not knowing the difference.
When something in the Bible is a "miracle" you say "no...it can't be, that is unscientific."
So when it suits your arugement you interchange those words with ease and thus profess the Qur'an to be true and the Bible to be false.
Don't you see Wel Mel? The creation itself is a miracle. God creating the world and heavens in 6 literal days is a miracle. I am not going to subject the miracles of God's glory to flawed human science just like you don't subject the topic of "talking ants" to science. You brush it off and call it a "miracle" and state that "no scientist can prove or disprove it." I guess this discussion is convenient for you since you think you have the authority to decide what is "miracle" and what is "unscientific."
The Qur'an says that the Sun sets in a muddy spring. I guess that must be a miracle and not unscientific huh?
Qur'an 67 states that stars were created by Allah to throw at devils. I guess you'll say that that too is a "miracle" and has nothing to do with science?
Qur'an 15 says that the earth is flat like a carpet. He goes on to say that Mountains hold down the earth so that it doesn't shake in Qur'an 78. I guess too that this must be a "miracle."
I could go further and throw up all the Mathamatical errors which appear in the Qur'an such as the old 1,000 years or 50,000 years debate which I am sure you are familiar with but I am sure you'll have a long winded nonsensical explanation for that too.
Or did Allah create the earth in 6 days (Qur'an 7,10,11,25) or did he create it in 8 days (Qur'an 41)
Is there not miscalculation in Quran-4:11, 4:12, and 4: 176 when discussing Inheritance Law????
You've said that "One Scientific or Mathamatical Error is enough to prove that the Bible isn't the word of God." Why is it that you don't hold the Qur'an to the same standard?
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My point in starting this thread was to take the focus off the science, history, and prophecy of the Bible and Qur'an. The bottom line is that you put your faith in Allah based on the Qur'an and I put my faith in Jesus through the revelation in the Bible. It takes <b>faith</b> for you to believe that ants talk just as it takes <b>faith</b> for me to believe that God created the earth in 6 literal days. Both of us in order to embrace our respective beliefs must take things on <i>faith</i> which we as humans do not and cannot understand.
Is the science and historical accuracy in the respective books important?? YES. I posted many fullfilled biblical prophecies in the Bible which you could not refute and many scientific discoveries for which you had no answer. You then posted some "scientfic errors" which I say are either metaphorical or not unscientific. But again, you hold the trump card in that you can deem what is and isn't a "miracle."
I have a feeling that we could debate these things for generations.
I quote the Book of Revelations which you say is a "dream" therefore you won't accept it. How then did Mohammed receive his prophecy? Was it not at least in part through dreams? Most of the Old Testament prophecies were delivered through dreams.