06-07-2006, 04:03 AM
Bismillah:
Quote:John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
<i>3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men.</i> 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.
6There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.<b> </b>
<i>10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[c] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.</i>
<i>14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.</i>
15John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.' " 16From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another. 17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,[e][f]who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
Of course this is the natural answer of all Christians that I met in my life.
"Where does Jesus say: 'I am God,' or 'I am equal to God,' or 'Worship me'?" the answer is John 1:1.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
First please note, these are not the words of Jesus. They are the words of John (or whoever wrote them). Acknowledged by every erudite Christian scholar of the Bible as being the words of another Jew, Philo of Alexandria, who had written them even before John and Jesus were born. And Philo claimed no divine inspiration for them. No matter what mystical meaning that Philo had woven around these words (which our John has plagiarized), we will accept them for what they are worth.
Here we go.
Since the manuscripts of the 27 Books of the New Testament are in Greek, a Christian sect has produced its own version and has even changed the name of this selection of 27 Books to Christian Greek Scriptures ! so I would like to ask you CC whether or not you know Greek? If you know then could you please let me know whether you have any idea about the Greek word for "God" which appeared John 1:1"and the Word was With God"?
Ok if you don’t know please check with me whether am wrong or right.
the word was <b>Hotheos</b>, which literally means "The God".
Since the European (including the North American) has evolved a system of using capital letters to start a proper noun and small letters for common nouns, we would accept his giving a capital "G" for God; in other words Hotheos is rendered "the god" which in turn is rendered "God".
"Now tell me, what is the Greek word for "God" in the second occurrence in your quotation - "and the Word was <b>God</b>"? "the word was <b>Tontheos</b>, which means "a god".
According to your own system of translating you aught to have spelt this word 'God' a second time with a small 'g' i.e. 'god', and not 'God' with a capital 'G'; in other words Tontheos is rendered "a god". Both of these, "god" or "a god" are correct.
"But in 2 Corinthians 4:4 you have reversed your system by using a small 'g' when spelling 'God' "(and the devil is) the god of this world." The Greek word for "the god" is Hotheos the same as in John 1:1. "Why have you not been consistent in your translations?" "If Paul was inspired to write hotheos the God for the Devil, why don't you use that capital 'G'?"
And in the Old Testament, the Lord said unto Moses: "See, I have made thee a god to Pharoah" (Exodus 7:1). "Why do you use a small 'g' for 'God' when referring to Moses instead of a capital 'G' as you do for a mere word 'Word' - "and the Word was God."?
"Why do you do this? Why do you play fast and loose with the Word of God?" ( am not asking you personally huh). but I am talking about the vested interests of Christianity, who are hell-bent to deify Christ, by using capital letters here and small letters there, to deceive the unwary masses who think that every letter, every comma and full stop and the capital and small letters were dictated by God (Capital 'G' here!)."
Salam
wael.