Bismillah:
Quote:Oh I see...if that is the case than I can see what you are saying. As a side note, in Mohammed's time people knew that sperm from a man caused a woman to be pregnant and created life. They also knew that blood, dust and water were present in our bodies. I can't give credit to Mohammed for discovering this.
first of all we dont give credit to Muhammad pbuh for discovering any of the scientific miracles in the Qur'an, we give all credit to the Lord of the worlds, Allah.
if we agree on your statement that Arabs <i>in Mohammed's time knew that sperm from a man caused a woman to be pregnant and created life. They also knew that blood, dust and water were present in our bodies</i> then you will have to ask <b>Dr Keith Moore </b> and follow the same steps that were taken by a group of men in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, they collected all of the verses in the Qur'an which discuss <b>embryology</b> - the growth of the human being in the womb. They said, "Here is what the Qur'an says. Is it the truth?" In essence, they took the advice of the Qur'an: "Ask the men who know." They chose, as it happened, <b>a non-Muslim who is a professor of embryology at the University of Toronto. His name is Keith Moore, </b> and he is the author of textbooks on embryology - a world expert on the subject. They invited him to Riyadh and said, "This is what the Qur'an says about your subject. Is it true? What can you tell us?"
And he was so surprised at what he found <b>that he changed his textbooks</b>. In fact, in the second edition of one of his books, called Before We Are Born... in the section about the history of embryology, he included some material that was not in the first edition because of what he found in the Qur'an was ahead of its time and that those who believe in the Qur'an know what other people do not know.
Brother Gary Miller had a meeting with Dr. Keith Moore for a television presentation, He mentioned that some of the things that the Qur'an states about the growth of the human being <b>were not known until thirty years ago</b>. In fact, he said that one item in particular - the Qur'an's description of the human being as a "leech-like clot" ('alaqah) at one stage (Surahs al-Hajj 22:5; al-Mu'minun 23:14; and Ghafir 40:67) - was new to him; but when he checked on it, he found that it was true, and so he added it to his book. He said, "I never thought of that before," and he went to the zoology department and asked for a picture of a leech. When he found that it looked just like the human embryo, he decided to include both pictures in one of his textbooks.
Although the aforementioned example of man researching information contained in the Qur'an deals with a non-Muslim, it is still valid because he is one of those who is knowledgeable in the subject being researched. Had some layman claimed that what the Qur'an says about embryology is true, then one would not necessarily have to accept his word. However, because of the high position, respect, and esteem man gives scholars, one naturally assumes that if they research a subject and arrive at a conclusion based on that research, then the conclusion is valid.
Quote:In your answer you also said upon closer observation, "Worship Him Alone NOT HIS SON", so I see you agree that Jesus IS the son of God.
Yes i do agree on the term SON OF GOD. Because i did understand what the Jews meant by saying son of God. in their language every human being is son of God, which means servant of God. and not literally SON.
NOW Concerning your post in response to what prophecies in the Quran are true......
Quote:The bible...as I pointed out in great detail does a lot of foretelling things yet to come. Is this too proof that the Bible's versus are from God? If not why not? You didn't address a single prophecy in the bible which I pointed out which has been confirmed by history. Why not?
I said if prophecies and historical events that found in the Bible are the test, then we should also follow the other scriptures of Hindus etc.. Because they also contains great details about prophecies and historical events.
what I mean CC is that I do believe that the Bible does contain part of God's words, but it also contains the word of prophets, the words of historians and also contains some statements which I will never accept to be inspired by God. But if you read the Qur'an you will realize immediately that the speaker in the first place is God Almighty. ALONE.
Quote:Was that verse written <i>AFTER</i> the conquest of Makkah????
if it was written after the conquest of Makkah then i would not mention it as a prophecty.
Quote:I cannot accept this at all. You added the " (i.e. in the battle of Badr).”
To add something between brackets is something normal when translating the original text to any other foreign language; we find that in the Bible too. For example we read verses like "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph". You know well that since the words (as was supposed) are between brackets means that they were not inspired by God, (and by the way they are not found in the original text) but for the translator to clarify the meaning and not to create any doubt. he puts his own words in brackets, otherwise the whole meaning will change and we will face a big problem.
Same manner when reading the Arabic text of the Qur'anic verse we have no problem in understanding that the verse talking about the battle of Badr. But when translating it into English the translator wanted to make the meaning more clear and so he adds those brackets.
Quote:Can you quote the actual chapter?
it is chapter 111 called ABU LAHAB.
Ten years! And in all that time he never accepted Islam or even became sympathetic to the Islamic cause.
How could Muhammad pnuh possibly have known for sure that Abu Lahab would fulfil the Qur'anic revelation if he was not truly the messenger of Allah? How could he possibly have been <b>so confident </b> as to give someone 10 years to discredit his claim of prophethood? The only answer is that he was Allah's messenger; for in order to put forth such a risky challenge, one has to be entirely convinced that he has a divine revelation.
Quote:Thanks for the discussion again Wel Mel. I hope to keep things civil. I am learning a lot. AND like before, I didn't copy and paste one single answer.
you are most welcome CC, and i hope you dont mind if i hurt your feeling at anytime, it was not my intention.
Salam
wael.