05-31-2006, 11:45 PM
Wel Mel.
Thanks for your interest and questions.
Quote:For example if you read Genesis, Chapter No. 4, Verse No. 12, it says… ‘God told Cain: you will never be able to settle you will be a wanderer.’ Few Verses later on Genesis, Chapter No.4, Verse No.17, says…‘Cain built up a city’ – unfulfilled prophecy
God punished Cain who was a "tiller of the ground" (Gen. 4 2) for killing his brother Abel. The curse which God put upon Cain in Genesis is largely poetic in nature as it reads. It is similar to when God cursed the serpent (Satan) in Gen 3:15.
Gen 3:14-15 states:
"...On you belly you shall go, And you shall eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall burise your head, and you shall bruise His heel."
Gen 3:15 is the first prophecy about the coming of Jesus. Did Satan literally "bruise" the heel of Jesus? Did Jesus literally bruise the head of Satan? No. Like much of the Old Testament this is poetic and allegorical.
Quote:If you read Jeremiah, Chapter No.36, Verse No.30, it says that…‘Jehoiachin the father of Jehoiachin… no one will be able to sit on his throne - The throne of David, no one will be able to sit after Jehoiachin.’ If you read later on, II Kings, Chapter No 24, Verse No 6, it says that… ‘Jehoiachin after he died, later on Jehoiachin sat on the throne’ - Unfulfilled prophecy.
This clearly isn't an unfilled Prophecy. You quoted II Kings 24:6.
Here is what II Kings 24 8-9 says about it.
II Kings 24 8-9
8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. His mother’s name was Nehushta the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem. 9 And he did evil in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his father had done.
According to Babylonian records Jerusalem fell just after those events transpired. Jehoiachin certaintley suffered. And nobody sat after Jehoichin...that is fact. Also, to be so literal...when Jeremiah says "no one will be able to sit after Jehoiachin" who is to say that this doesn't refer to the younger???
Quote:Isaiah, Chapter No. 7, Verse No 14, says, prophesying of…‘The coming of a person who will be born to a virgin - his name shall be Emmanuel.’ the Christians say - it refers to Jesus Christ peace be upon him. Born to a virgin - the Hebrew word there is ‘amla’, which means not ‘a virgin’- BUT 'a young lady.’ The word for ‘virgin’ in Hebrew is, ‘baitula’, which is not there. Even if you agree - we are using concordance - we agree… ‘Virgin’… ‘Virgin’ - No problem. It says… ‘He will be called Immanuel.’ No where in the Bible is Jesus Christ peace be upon him, is called as Immanuel - Unfulfilled prophecy.
Again, like Genesis much is poetic and allegorical. "Emmanuel" means "God With Us." Jesus, being God, was "with us." The original readers of this book would know that Emmanual means "God With Us" and would understand it to mean that the Messiah's coming is upon them. I agree about the word "virgin". In that text "virgin" doesn't necessarily mean "a virgin" as you put it...but it may.
The very same Hebrew word "amla" is used in Gen 24:16.
Gen 24:16
16 The girl was very beautiful, a virgin; no man had ever lain with her. She went down to the spring, filled her jar and came up again.
As you can see...in this instance the Hebrew word "amla" DOES mean an actual virgin....But I thought the Koran states that Jesus was born of a virgin???
The Bible...especially the OT as you quoted is as great a historical document as any that exists from that the time in which it was written. Time and time again historical and archeological finds confirm the Bibles historocity. That in itself is a miracle.
<i>But since you brought up the topic of unfullfilled prophecies I must respectfully ask you about your Quran. </i>
Koran 20:85 and 20:87 state that the calf worshipped by the Israelites at Mt. Horeb was molded by a <b>Samaritan</b>. The word "Samaritan" was not coined until 722 B.C.--several years after the events recorded in the Exodus?
Koran 2:29 state that Allah created the earth first and then the heavens.
Koran 79:27-30 state that Allah created the heavens and then the earth.
(Koran 96:2)
Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood.
(Koran 21:30)
...WE made EVERY (including man) living thing
from water...
(Koran 15:26)
He created man from sounding clay, from mud
moulded into shape...
(Koran 3:59)
...He created him from dust, then said to him
Be and he was.
(Koran 19:67)
But does not man call to mind that WE created
him before out of nothing.
Was man created out of a blood clot, dust, clay, water or nothing??? I didn't post the verse but the Koran also says that man was created from a sperm drop??
(Koran 21:76)
Noah, when he cried to US, aforetime: We listened
to his paryer and delivered him and his family
from great distress.
(Koran 11:42-43)
...And the waves came between them, and the son was
among those overwhelmed in the Flood.
??
What about this?
(Koran 2:62)
Those who believe in the Quran...and the
christians...shall have their reward with their
Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor they shall
grieve.
Granted...those aren't necessarily unfullfilled prophecies in the Quran rather contradictions. I started a new thread here to ask about specific unfullfilled prophecies in the Quran.
Again, I don't mind defending my faith...I hope I mean you no offense.