04-15-2006, 06:21 PM
Quote:Bismillah
Bismillah
salam Mahasvapna
More on this part in particular, as I said it is a good foundation that your mind do not accept those as dieties, however, if they are not dieties why would I attribute to them something that only the Creator Is Capable of. Like for instance, I m not sure I think Krishna is a part of a trinity in which he is responsible for alternating day and night, and as u said Ganesha is responsible for obstacles removing? why would the Creator, Whom you cannt comprehend or envisage delegate any of His responsibilities? In my opinion, such matters must not be in the hands of any one but The Only True Diety Who Owns everyting and Created Everything, including those who are called by those names if they ever existed. I mean one has an elephant head, the other has 4 heads which were originally 5 and he lost one looking at something.
Thus, if u see them just humans, this contradicts the statement I underlined and made into a blue font in your post.
Do look at it again and see if u got what I mean about the contradicition of the previous statement I made into mauve.
This statement actually fits how Allah Describe Himself in Quran saying:
"The Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you mates from yourselves, and for the cattle (also) mates. By this means He creates you (in the wombs). There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer." (Quran 42:11)
"No vision can grasp Him, but His Grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Subtle and Courteous, Well Acquainted with all things." (Quran 6:103)
I think those two verses explain to you exactly as u perceive Allah. Again if this is your God, why would u need to contemplate on anyone elses claimed qualities that certainly are not possessing?
Ah, a direct answer to that question would be, "To possess mastery over my own mind, that I may use it as a tool in whatever what I choose." God can Guide me, but will not do the work. I must master my mind, body, and spirit, so that they can be used properly in his service. Perhaps you did not fully understand what I meant. I do not see the 'deities' of these other traditions as humans. I don't think they ever existed. I dunno, Krishna maybe, the jury's still out on it - but when I say the word Archetype, it is like describing a section of human conciousness, with a particular prupose, given symbolic shape in the form of a figure who represents one particular aspect of human nature, exemplified in a manner that is ideally without flaw.
That doesn't mean that those deities live inside you, in your nature, unless you want to personify them even more - but it is all conceptual. These 'responsibilities' so to speak then, are not delegated at all - rather, they are aspects of what we humans are capable of. There are other deities which deal with something more cosmic - as you say with Krishna and the changing from day to night. I don't really deal with those aspects, because they are external from myself, and I can just as easily learn the lesson of day changing to night by observing the dawn and dusk. Observing - and more importantly, embodying - human nature in it's exemplified form gives us something concrete to aim towards.
So, allow me to reiterate - while it may seem so in words, the concept of these leser Deities do not in any way begin to compare to the conceptualization of God. They are finite, they are called deities just because as Archetypes they exist in all people - we all have the capacity to overcome adversity, for instance, and Ganesh is the crystallized image (not a literal, thinking, independant little god, but a framework or template if you will) of the element in human nature which allows us to overcome through compassion, stability, and patience.
I'm not asking anyone here to accept it and utilize it, but I personally have a responsibility to possess a mind and body which can be configured in whatever way I need them to be.
Namaste
Mahasvapna