04-12-2006, 08:38 PM
Quote:Bismillah
salam Mahasvapna,
That was good thought to post the translation, before I continue, I will say something that I m sure my Muslim brothers and sisters share with me. Pls note that if we continue discussing or what may seem as pushing or challenging has no other motive but being concerned about you and other non Muslim members. We dont mean to call you blind or anything.
Well, the next question, is in this prayer or meditation, who is the diety? I mean do u pray to Krishna, Brahma, kali, Ganesha ..ect. Who is the one you are parying to?
From here we can continue Insh aAllah
I pray to the source of creation. I speak about it with the word God, but I believe that the creator is a force, a conciousness, and the entirety of the material universe. To me, 'God' is all of creation and the intelligence inherent in it. It defies all understanding or comprehension except in the most minimal way - the mystery of God is infinite, and none but God may know its full extent.
When I meditate - prayer, to me, is a matter of seeking something, vs. meditation which is simply adoration and/or contemplation - I simply calm my mind either through chanting or mindful breathing, and seek the source of myself within. That source is the conduit to the Infinite - to God.
I do recognize the various deities of many other religions, but I recognize them as aspects of humanity - they are the archetypes and functions of the subconcious mind. By contemplating the nature of a particular 'deity' such as, for instant, Ganesh - who is the remover of obstacles - the mind is focused towards a particular configuration which mimics the understanding of what Ganesh stands for. it is like saying, "What would Ganesh do," or more along the lines of "What qualities does Ganesh possess which make him the remover of obstacles?" So, the more one contemplates the nature of the Archetypes, the more we understand the function of that archetype in our own conciousness. I think even the original conception of the hindu Gods and Goddesses was intended to be like this, due to their described temperments and qualities - they are very human-like in their actions and natures, but in purified forms. I believe they were meant to be ideals, not Deities. Culturally, though, the hindu pantheon does recognize a supreme source of creation, including all of the deities. A similar concept to Atma. In any case, I do not worship them, and don't have room in my humble abode for statues of little gods and goddesses. I do not often meditate this way, but I have found it to be a useful practice in the past. Many who follow this particular path devoutly devote themselves to embodying one particular entity - for instance Krishna who is well known for his followers, and could be said, based on history, to be the original prophet of recorded history, if the hindu record of their own history is accurate (and with many peoples this is not always the case... after all, no one from the present was there.)
God is incomprehensibly vast and eternal. To me, the fact that humans even recognize a concept like 'eternity' or 'infinity' is proof that we know instinctively that there is some part of the universe that does not end or begin. But I also recognize that within each person is a vast, nearly limitless potential. We are after all made in the image of God, the image of infinity. I do not take this to mean that we look like God, or that he thinks or feels in the same way we do, for God is not Reactive, he is Causal. That is to say that his nature is that of Causality - the source of all things, the Cause of all things. We do not 'get a reaction' out of God. We are in his image in terms of our nature and purpose. Not our superficial body - this is simply the logical configuration of biological matter necessary to create the illusion of perception. Straying from the subject...
It is because of this conception of God that I have that I place little faith in any tradition which seeks to give this source of creation any such attributes that we flawed humans would have. I do not believe he gets "Angry" or "Vengeful". I don't believe this world is a Test, either. That doesn't make sense. Is god flowing out a river of billions, trillions, of souls, just to fill up heaven and hell? His conception of numbers must be vast beyond the limits of conciousness of course, but still, what sense is there in that? I will not claim to know the 'Sense' of God, I suppose, but the situation would seem intuitively to be more complicated than this. I believe that humans have evolved as we have along critical routes, and that we have been gently lead along through time by our creator.
So, this is my God, for all intents and purposes. Simply - though it is far from simple - the totality of Mind, Body, and Spirit of the universe. It is from this foundation that I derive all of my reasoning and faith for anything. It has showed it's own merit by opening windows of insight on many matters that otherwise would seem totally unconnected to any theological ideal. Science, for instance, often seeks to debunk the creator - yet many of the inner workings of the universe that we have discovered are parallels to other truths of existence and life that we take for granted. I believe that the creator has encoded his truth in the very universe we live in, and that one may seek that truth through whatever means one chooses - that no one path is strictly the only path. We are immersed in God, how can we miss him if we look?
Namaste
Mahasvapna