Penalty of converting to Christianity

[Don Singleton]

And welcome to the board Don


Sorry if this is a late welcome, and i think i might have missed some heated discussions here.

<b>And thank you for your courtesy</b>

As for the punishment promised by Allah to those who reject the faith, as u can clearly see from the Ayahs u yourself quoted, the punishment is in the hereafter.

<b>That is what I understand from the Quran. The order to kill anyone that leaves Islam just comes from the hadith, and as I understand it only traditionalist or a fundamentalist Muslims recognize the hadith-narrations on the same level as the Quran and Sunnah. As I understand it, it did not even exist until at least 150 years after Muhammad's death, and that it was never supposed to be able to overrule the Quran, and many hadith were invented along the way to suit the purposes of rulers, kings, and others in power.</b>

As for a Muslim to accept jesus as savior, this is totally against Islamic teachings, for no one and I stress no one can shoulder someone else's sins or be accountable before Allah on behalf of someone else. No not even Prophet Mohamed salla Allah a`lyhee wa sallam.

<strong>I accept that no </strong><strong>man</strong><strong> can shoulder someone else's sins.</strong>

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But the Son of God can do many things that a man cannot do. I am sorry that you cannot know Him as I do.</strong>

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It still has another part that explains that both women and men are equal in applying the punishment of killing in case of apostacy. </strong></strong>

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</strong></strong><strong><strong><strong>Equal right to be killed. I can see why they say Islam is a religion of peace.</strong></strong></strong>

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The Hanafi school also explains that the hadeeth say one who changes the religion but that does not include one who changes from a kufr religion to another kufr." (Quran 3;72)</strong></strong></strong></strong>

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</strong></strong></strong></strong><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>So you don't care if a Jew embraces Christ, or if a Christian embraces Judiasm, and that is even in the Quran, but the instruction to kill those that leave Islam had to wait 150 years, until there was a ruler that equated faith with loyalty to him as a leader, and who wanted to justify punishing those that turned against him (not against Allah, or against Islam, but against his rule).</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong>

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<strong><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>As u see the Ayah is warning us from those who pretend to be Muslims then reject it in order for others to follow them. In such case the punishment has to be really harsh to deter those who think this way.</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></strong><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>
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</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></strong><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong><strong>I may be wrong, but I dont recall seeing that Abdul Rahman encouraged anyone else to join him in becoming a Christian</strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></strong></strong>