07-10-2003, 07:54 AM
Assalamluakum,
I don't think you fully understand what i mean so here i go again.
[b:aae86580b4]Amai:say, the whole class of 1-A are intelligent, but if someone asks "who's the most intelligent?" are you going to say, "all of them are intelligent"? that doesn't say much and the other would probably reply, "i know, but who's the most, i mean the really really most intelligent?"
same here. tell me all are great, but who's considered to be the greatest? [/b:aae86580b4]
[b:aae86580b4]mohammed. yeah. [/b:aae86580b4]
OK, here goes. Amai, all we know of the prophets pbut before Muhammed pbuh comes from the Quran and Hadith(sayings of Prophet Muhammed). We know that ALL the Prophets pbut had a good [i:aae86580b4]character[/i:aae86580b4] and on this, they are all to be granted good inshallah (God willing). But when we don't mean to say that Prophet Muhammed pbuh was [i:aae86580b4]morally[/i:aae86580b4] better (i mean he definatly was morally good, but we don't compare prophets morally, since they all are good {am i repeating my self?}), since we have little evidence about almost anything of the prophets pbut before him. And we could never do such a thing because it decreases their position. But here is the interesting part. All the prophets pbuh, messages, books, scrools, have either been lost or changed. Remeber, this is what we belive. So who's message remains? Prophet Muhammed pbuh of course. And when we say "greatest" we are talking about his [i:aae86580b4]message[/i:aae86580b4] not [i:aae86580b4]morallity[/i:aae86580b4] (and since the other ones didn't get a chance to survive in their originality) it makes his message stand out.
[b:aae86580b4]Amai:where then is this Injil? when was it revealed? how was it revealed? what's supposed to be inside it?[/b:aae86580b4]
Ok, this one, i know, that you know what I am about to say (i can tell based on the tone of your questions). The Injil that was given to Prophet Jesus pbuh, was passed down and man changed it. Today, it is in the form of the Bible...remeber, this is what we belive to be truth, right now im not challenging u to give me a ton of evidence to support its authenticity. As for when it was revealed?...i don't think that the Quran or Hadith (sayings of Prophet Muhammed pbuh) say exactly when. How it was revealed?...i don't think that the Quran or Hadith say exactly how either. And as for the question of what is inside...since we no longer have the original copy of the Injil with us (muslims belive that we can't really rely on the words of the Bible anymore), but if we had to, which one would we look at? Some sects would point to a certain one, others would point to another.
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Amai:you can say that Muhammad and Jesus were messengers and such but most muslims usually call Muhammed "the last and greatest prophet of Allah" and Jesus "a prophet of Allah." messenger or not, Jesus, Muhammed and etc are commonly referred as prophets[/b:aae86580b4].
What is ur point here? are u trying to say that we forcefully degrade Jesus pbuh position? (Im sorry if i sound kinda hostile) but we do refer to him as the last, but as for "greatest" we are talking about his message, the one that was ment for all of mankind, which is unique in that case.
But on the point of us saying that Muhammed and Jesus pbut were messagers, that is true, but we say that they are messagers usually while talking about the books they recived or their message that they were trying to convey.
But if we talk about them in general, we say "prophet".
As for us calling Gabriel "the holy spirit", im sorry but i haven't seen that prase anywhere in the pages of the Quran.
I hope my words are clearer now, if u'd like to comment brother amai, feel free to do so. And muslim brothers and sisters, if i have made a mistake anywhere, please tell me where and explain why. I would be glad to retract my comment if I see it to be wrong.