Child Molestation

[Universist]

Bismillah
Universist, we sure disagree on fundamental issues as I mentioned before.

Yes we disagree. I abhore a political and social system with laws which would allow a child of 9 to be raped by a man of 40. And you seem to forgive it.


Your standing in moral quicksand here and you don't seem to mind one bit.

I understand your endeavor to strive to secure a better life for human beings. However, just note that Islam does not need reform, how can we reform what Allah Wrote?

Yes it does. And many educated scholars among you agree. Shall I post a few hundred links that support this view among respected muslim scholars who also view nine years of age as too young for marriage. Apparently the politicos in Iran AGREE as well since they just changed thier own laws...


And ALLAH didnt write one word. Neither did the prophet. MEN who surrounded him transliterated his words. Remember he was illiterate and could not write, so he depended on MEN who surrounded him to do so. And so MEN did indeed write down the words of the prophet.

But as usual u missed an important point in my post, I clearly told you that I forgot to stress that one of the conditions for any marriage to be valid is the woman's acceptance. without it the marriage is invalid. Thus parents who force their daughters either 13, 20 or 30 years old into marriage are committing a sin.
And why are u only worried about girls, arent u aware that there are families who force their sons into marriages even though the son clearly expresses a wish to marry someone else?


Let us even delve more into this issue, there are ethnic groups who have nothing to do with Islam or even in some cases any other religion who enforce social practices including the obligation of marriages within the same tribe, family..etc. I m sure you are aware of this.


Again Islam does not need reform but rather needs to be well taught to its followers.

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You would think that something written by God would not need better teachers. Seems to me like the word of God should be 100% clear with no ambiguity and that followers would only need read it a single time to be able to follow it without error.


And it would seem that everyone from the Taliban to Osama understands it well enough to justify the continued VIOLENT MURDEROUS JIHAD which has resulted in the deaths of true muslim women and children throughout the world.


I don't envy you one bit trying to defend your system of belief. With 23 Islamic wars, 9 totletarian states, 100's of daily violent deaths, and continued misery for millions in Africa and the Middle East due to Islam, there is no doubt Islam needs a reform.


And you know what. We in the west are not going to sit still anymore waiting for it. And whether thats right or wrong, so be it. Islam in its current forms represent a threat not only to me and mine but ultimately in time to the entire civilization. That part of it which incites fundametalist terror, child abuse, forced behavior, fascism, and violence against the weak needs to be removed from its teachings. Just like the Jews and the Christians both did over 400 years ago, its Islam's turn now.


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