10-09-2005, 12:48 AM
Quote:Bismillah
Peace Universist
As I said earlier, if we have problems we can solve it. You know how? by allowing better and correct Islamic education so that a guardian would realize he is not allowed to force his daughter, sister...etc into marriage unless she accepts. No matter if she is 13 and the man is 40. If she is accepting then fine.
Whereas your aim is to correct such faulty practices through your own means. you want to abolish Islam. isnt this your aim???
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Two points.
1. First and foremost I DO NOT WISH TO ABOLISH ISLAM....
2. I want ISLAM TO REFORM ITSELF....
That is my aim...
So you clicked some links and what did you see? You see truth about human beings. A truth that begins with the laws that are laid out for a society to follow. When those rules do not protect fundamental human rights, they must be changed. Otherwise the cycle of violence, abuse, and horror is never ending.
What you and I fail to agree on is whether the complete system of society that Islam offers is truly up to the task of creating a vibrant, free society, capable of advancing the sciences, the arts, and human endeavor.
Your way of being has been on the planet 1500 years. And there is very little positive to show for what it has accomplished in this time. America has been here 300 years and our system of laws based on the freedom of the individual has taken us far beyond what Islam or Christianity or Judaism or Hinduism or Buddhism or any other religion will ever achieve.
It is only through a system of law which protects individual freedom that we will survive as a species. That is my belief. And that is proven in the history of America vs. the history of all previous empires. And it is a fact that Islam does not protect the individual. Rather it inspires strong fundamentalist leanings which seek to protect its failings and excuse its abuses because of a misguided belief in its accuracy as a system of societal function handed down to us by God.
That is where we part ways in our thinking. And the proof that I am right sits in front of you now. Your using a computer to communicate across a network that spreads world wide invented by FREEDOM alone. Not through an Islamic way of being.
And here is a fact. All of the inventions that we use in our modern world were always achievable. 1500 years ago when your religion started it was as possible then to fly, to goto the moon, to build a computer, as it is today. All of it could have been achieved much sooner. But did not.
Why? Because religion says all the answers are in the book, so why bother looking. And until we freed our minds from this enslavement, nothing of value followed. And that is why freedom to decide what to do with your life without the slavery of the mind is so important.
And that is ultimately why the horrifying child abuse continues within Islam unabatted with the protections of its laws while its followers do nothing about its true cause.
Time for reform in Islam. It is not perfect, and the proof of this is in the long and horrifying history whose links I have provided in previous post.
Universist