Child Molestation

[Universist]

Bismillah
Peace Universist


You asked a direct and simple question. How does Islam see child molestation and u even precisly asked if an 18 year old man has sex with a 15 or less year old girl.


1. If both are married, this is Halal (i know you are familiar with such terms).

Lets focus only on this one rule. This is the one that is trouble. Lets clarify this completely. All further questions that I ask will be solely focused on this rule.


So to clarify with a question.


If a man of ANY AGE over 18 is married to a child under 13 then itis Halal for them to have sex? Is this correct?

No need for your to go thru posting such numerous links.

Does this mean that you acknowledge and stipulate that very very bad things are happening to children subject to this rule of Islam regarding marriage between adults and children.


Does this mean you acknowledge that there are men abusing the system to have their way with children?

Besides actually what Faris_ me posted is very relevant.

Its only relevant if taken in the context of religious law. Morals are derived from religion.


1 Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.


2 Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.


3 Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.


However secular law which respects the rights of the individual goes to great lengths to eliminate moral uncertainties which include determing when a child is ready to be an adult. Maturity is not something you define in the vacuum of religion. Rather it is a balance of physiological, psychological, and environmental consideration. But no one in the free world and many in your world do not hold with the idea that a 13 year old girl is ready to lay down with a 40 year old man in the bonds of marriage just because she has reached a physical maturity and is ready to do so.


Here that is called child abuse. And given the thousands of cases where this has happened and the child later has called this abuse, I think you need to acknowledge that such abuse occurs because of the Islamic laws that allow it.

As u clearly admitted on another thread, children start having sex in the West as early as 12 and 13.

And as I have clearly stated this is by CHOICE not by FORCE. STAY ON FOCUS MUSLIMAH the discussion is about forced marriage. Not two kids making a choice. You degrade the discussion when you do not stay on focus. We are discussing arranged marriages where children without freedom to say "no" are forced to marry, and consumate that marriage. And all those examples I cited PROVES that this occurs. When you jump off topic you really turn your back to the truth that is placed before you.

so Alhamdulelah, dont worry Universist about us Muslim women. Even if we suffer issues, Muslims Alhamdulelah have the ability to solve them. We dont need any western intervention. just worry about yourself and your life. Hope this is clear.

What is clear is that you once again disrespect me and my comments. You have not said a single thing here which shows that you acknowledge that abuses are occuring in your system of laws. And then you condescendingly pat me on the head like a child and tell me to run and play, that you Muslim women can take care of the issue...


You ignore the ongoing horror, and you turn your back to its truth. I bet that you did not click through and read even a single story that I gave you links to read. Your so scared of the truth that it is easier for you to be smug and ignore what I am saying. And that is a sin against those children in those accounts which I have tried to share with you.

May be this tone and attitude makes the anti American sentiments grow high in the Middle East. Just think about this comment a bit deep before u jump trying to reply.

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Maybe the fact that you have ignored what I sent you to read, and that you do not acknowledge the abuses is a reason Americans are fearful of Islam. Your complete system of justice doesn't seem to include justice for CHILDREN. And that you so easily dismiss this subject and turn your back to it gives me all the more reason to raise my voice in protection of these children.


And if that requires me to be the UGLY AMERICAN.


SO BE IT.


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