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AhmedBahgat · (This post was last modified: 09-09-2005, 07:57 AM by Muslimah.)

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Bismillah


as salam alykom brother Ahmed


Welcome to the board and jazakum Allah khairan on your first post.

Thank you sister Muslimah, I'm really delighted that you were the first to respond to my comment, because before I joined i read a lot in here and I'm very impressed with you sister, Gazaki Allah Khair and may He reward you at the end of time inshaallah, I hardly see any Muslim woman involved in the Online Da'wa, while Allah has honoured the women by asking the 12 wives of the prophet to abandon this life and spend whatever left in it to spread the deen and educate plenty of men and women, what an honour for women by Allah.

Quote:Well the idea is worth considering and re reading, true the Quran calls the hypocrites as hypocrites. I just have one reservation about the laden part.

It is very striking sister, my whole body shook when I discovered it, while in the past I read it many times for the last 25 years and never got the idea that it is about the terrorists, and when it hit me last Ramadan, I was so joyful, I almost cried, because I was one of the confused by the atrocities committed by my Muslim brothers, and by seeing how the enemy of Islam use it against my religion, I went to the Quran to find an answer, I knew in advance that I will find an answer, because in 25 years the Quran answered all the Questiona that I had and all the ones that were asked by others, an amazing book that is. I love it

Yes sister please read it many times and I would love to know what you have concluded please.

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Brother it is much better for all of us as muslims to never judge any other Muslim who engaged in Jihad.[/qoute]
with my total respect sister, I disagree, because this is not Jihad, they can call it Jihad as they wish, it only adds to the confusion in how the non Muslims think about the Jihad, while the fact of the matter is Jihad in the Quran is fighting the self and to use any power and Mi’mah Allah has given to spread His religion in peace, 


when Muslims are attacked then yes the Jihad will take a different turn called Qital, which is a must of all Muslims to defend their religion if attacked and I will be one of the first to defend it and die for it


but please sister, I can't consider what those terrorists do in Iraq and Palestine as Jihad, because simply it conflicts with the Quran.


1) a martyr can not know that he/she will die a martyr


2) a martyr must die with any other cause, not self inflicting death


3) a martyr does not kill innocent women and children and surely does not kill Muslims


I agree that the Quran tell us we should never judge another believer regarding his/her faith, but what we do here to expose those thugs is a must and a duty for all Muslims sister, because THEY HAVE DECEIVED ALLAH AND THEY HAVE DECEIVED ALL THE MUSLIMS


in fact the terrorists criticised us and they called "the believers" fools, 


I was appreciative that the Kafiroon, removed the Taliban and Saddam, they were deployed by Allah, and we should be thankful to them, because they are helping us to get rid of the people who are degrading our peaceful religion, deceiving us and deceiving Allah, and I can't consider removing the Taliban and Saddam as an attack on my faith, in fact it is a defence to my faith


If the taliban were really the true Muslims as they claimed, why then Allah did not help them? we know that Allah can even send an army of Angels to help the true believers if it was really Jihad and the Muslims are being killed because of their faith, it does not add up sister, 


That is why sister we reached this stage, our religion has sank very bad, and mostly because of us "the Muslims", the ones who commit atrocities in the name of Allah and the ones who turn a blind eye on it and call them Mujahidoon, and sure the division that our great religion suffer from with many sects now, i'm sorry sister to tell you that but I feel sorry for myself, my family, my children and all my Muslim brothers and sisters as well, and please forgive me, it is our responsibility to show the world how peaceful this religion is, while those so called mujahiddon are wrongly showing otherwise,


you know sister, the most human that will be attacked more by Satan are the ones who call themselves believers, like me and you and all the Muslims, simply because Satan and his progeny main objective is to take all humans with them to Hell, and sure any unbeliever need not too much work from Satan, because by just rejecting Islam they successfully joined Satan in hell, so Satan will attack to us more, he will try hard to corrupt our religion, in fact I remember a nice description by my mentor Sheikh Mohammad Metwali El Sharawi "May Allah bless his soul" , that Satan stands at the doors of the mosques, not the clubs and bars, Satan is targeting the believers far more either to corrupt their faith and if he failed he will try to convince us to make a lot of bad deeds, it is written in the Quran sister muslimah as you know




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<div>Yes the apparent may be violating what we know. But they are the Mujaheddeen and we are the sitting. Of course u know what i am referring to in the Ayah that says; not equal those who do jihad and those who are sitting.

true sister, but those are not Mujahiddeen, because simply Islam is not attacked


they made it up sister to make their authorities as if it has for a good cause


at least a mujahid will not kill randomly innocent Muslims sister


in fact sister I can comfortably call you a mujahid and I can never call those thugs mujahideen


because simply you involve yourself in actions by spending your time online to defend and promote the good in Islam, and I'm sure you always fight the bad in you, you are a true Mujahid sister NOT them

Quote:Plus I fully agree with u that beheading is not justified, but that is if it was done by Muslims to start with.

can not be justified sister, never ever, and you are right if it is done by the Muslims from to start with, and that is what we saw sister on videos, Muslims beheading innocent people while holding the Quran in their hand and cheering Allahoakbar, and that is how I see it , they DECEIVED ALLAH


but as you stated they can not be Muslims, and consequently they can not be mujahiddeen

Quote:So is the blowing up, unless it is in Palestine or other hot Muslim areas which can be clearly defined as battle field. Then we are allowed to fight and deter the enemy who is envading. Again I stress this who is envading.

yes and I agree sister but under the following conditions:


1) Islam is the target


2) Muslims are the target


3) Muslims have been kicked out of their homes


4) No self inflicting death should be committed by the Muslims


5) No killings of the innocents


But regarding a battle field, it can not be the public streets and shopping malls, where innocent women and children doing their daily business, but I have to ask, what a suicide bomber in Israel will achieve?


Absolutely nothing, because he/she caused no damage to the enemy forces, rather killed a few innocent victims that may include Muslims as well, you see a suicide bomber is nothing but a coward who is only looking to be rewarded as martyr so he/she kill him/her self thinking that this will make them as such, nothing more than been brainwashed,


But let me say something about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, the problem here sister that most Arabs if not all are raised while been taught to hate the Jews, I was one of those, in fact in a recent program on the Egyptian satellite, an Egyptian host was talking to a 6 years old child and she was asking him if he hates the Jews or not and he said yes and she was very proud then she asked him why? And he could not answer her, you see how the hate was put in an innocent child?


But when I grew up I found that I hate them for one reason only and that reason I found in the Quran, that they are the prophets murderers, this is enough for me to hate them, but for the Palestine conflict, I never hate them for that, because I see that they also have the right to the land exactly as the Arabs, the history says that not me, in fact if we talk to them peacefully on the negotiation table, I’m sure they will act decently.


I lived in the united states for a couple of years before I migrated to Australia, and in my time in America all the jobs I did were with the Jews, and to my surprise I found them dealing with me “Bima Yourdi Allah”, I’m sure they did not like the fact I’m a Muslim and was reading the Quran in my lunch breaks, they even told me that, but again they never harmed me neither they dealt with me with disrespect, this is when I started to change my understanding about them.


But if we look at the recent years we will see clearly that when the Egyptians “wanted peace” they gave us our land with peace, they tried to keep Taba, but again we fought them within the international court and we took it back, “I’m Egyptian btw”, and we also saw recently how they evacuated Gazza and even fought with their Jews brothers and sisters to remove them, I have seen it all on TV, not sure if they show this in Egypt


This tells us that if we stop the violence and hate, they will be forced to talk with us and we will have the whole world behind us, very simple logic really.


Do not also forget sister that most Palestinian sold their own land to the Jews for a few bucks years ago, do not also forget sister that Yaser Arrafat “May Allah bless him” was one of the richest men in the world and yet his people were suffering bad. Who is wrong sister? 


Let me simplify this logic a bit sister, imagine you and your neighbour in the opposite flat are fighting for a car spot “a car park”, you think it is yours and you want to park your car in it, and your neighbour thinks it is hers and she wants to park her car in it.


But somehow you always park your car in this spot and your neighbour is really pissed off, so at night, your neighbour goes down and blow up your car tyres, then in the morning when you discover it and blame your neighbour, your neighbour admit it and even cheer for it and tell you ..., what you feel sister at that time?


Will you tell your neighbour sorry and give him the car spot after she committed a violation against you?, of course not sister “unless you are an angel”, I would say it will make you more mad and the conflict will increase, we can not say that your neighbour action is morally right because she thinks the car spot is hers, however imagine your neighbour took you to court and won it there, what should happen after?, you will surrender the car spot.


And that is what I’m talking about sister; it is our ignorance that we can not realize, while it is obvious for the blinds


I really feel sorry for the family of a suicide bomber, especially if he left a wife and children, he escaped like a coward and left a family to suffer, destroying one of the main objectives for our existence on earth, which is “Khalifa” to learn and gain knowledge then find Allah and spend the rest of life to please Him, I do not think Allah will be pleased with me if I strap a bomb around me killing myself and a few innocent humans including women, children and Muslims, yet I left a family behind to suffer for the rest of their life, Allah will only knows what will happen to my children, I cared less about them and left them for the unknowns of life, what more crime a man can do than this sister?


May Allah help us to find the right path

Quote:Not to consider a place like Egypt a hot area and start terrorising innoncents. Yet this is also explained thru a hadeeth.

and that is what those thugs considered sister, Cairo, Sharm Elshiekh, London, Bali, Iraq, Indonesia, Turkey, New York, far out, it is every where sister, they do not discriminate obviously.

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To cut it short, i do like your logic here Mash a Allah.
True they feel that they are doing good while it is the contrary la hawal wala qowata ilah billah

This logic stroke me hard sister, I swear with Allah Might, the circumstances I found it under was also striking, it was almost a year ago when I found an anti Islam web site, in there I found horrible insults to the greatest man ever existed on earth, I could not stand it sister so I joined and fought hard, the argument there that Quran encourages violence and terror and they posted many verses from Sura 2 to support their lies, so I told them I read the Quran thoroughly for the last 25 years more than 15 times in two languages and I’m fluent in Arabic including the “Nahw”, the Arabic grammar, and I never found one verse that encourages violence against the innocent people, so I challenged them that I will post the whole verses in the two languages starting from the beginning, and when I started reading again, it happened just as I reached verse 2:8, my body shacked hard and all the hair I have stood like needles then I laughed hard, that was an awesome moment in my life I will never forget, I rad more to qualify it, so I went back to them with the amazing news, that you say the Quran encourages terrorism, but the Quran exposes the terrorists and their atrocities in its first page, as well it promise them with horrible punishment, what else I could have said sister, they all were shocked, stunned and no one could not refute it, Glory to Allah, since them I have done many researches and went through all the tafsirs and hadiths and absolutely concluded that it has to be the terrorists and can not be the hypocrites, but I have to agree sister that SOME of the descriptions from verse 8 to verse 20 will fit a hypocrite “possibly 50%” but there are many that can not be attributed to a hypocrite, but if we compare the descriptions to a Muslim terrorist, then it fits like a glove sister, it is also amazing to know that the word hypocrites was never used, while most of the scholars thought the Quran is talking about the hypocrites in those 13 verses .

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We are looking forward to more contribution on your part brother.




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Thank you sister, me too is looking forward to discuss a few important points in our religion, and you are a great candidate after I was impressed with your knowledge about the Quran, may Allah reward you for it


May Allah bless us all sister and sorry for my long comment 


Peace to all


Ahmed


I edited a few words off this post brother



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