08-11-2005, 10:26 AM
it is very strange reepicheep,somtimes you consider the interpertation of the
islamic scholars and somtimes you refused,why?You accept that the land is
Palestine but you refused to accept that"you" means"the sons of Israel and
Pharaoh with his followers".
I think that if you know arabic you can understand what the sisters try to explain.
I expect you to accept muslems interpretation of their book as I expect me to accept your interpretation to the Bible.We are different in faith but it must be an area of agreement in any discussion,inspite of that I will try to clarify some points may be help.
Ayah104/17 said:"following the death of Pharaoh, we said to the son`s of Israel
"Dwell the land and when the promised day of judgement comes,We well bring you
as mixed crowd.".
1-"You"here is refer to those whom the God talk about,not to those whom the God
speak to them.If"following the death of Pharaoh"is not mentioned,we may accept
your interpretation.
2-"Day of judgement"is the translation of the arabic word"alakhera"which means in all the Quran ayahs"day of judgement".And actualy,The Ayah metioned that this
gathering will happen when the day of judgement comes,not comes near.So the Ayah consider when not where,and if you understand in Palestine,it does`nt matter,it will be in the day of judgement.
3-"Mixed crowd"is the translation of the arabic word"Lafifa"which means according to the arabic dictionary"group from different tribes".
I think instead of trying to find a reason for the Israelians occupation(I am sorry I
mean zionest occupation)extracted from the Quran,it is better to know why some jews(Natara Karta Jewish organization)clearly declare the Jews have no right in Palestine based on the Tora as sister Muslimah told you.
Assume that Israel`s son has any right in Palestine,who confirm that the jews are
descended from Israel.If me or you converted and become jew,shall we become from Israel`s sons having the right to occupy palestin,andif some of israel`s son embraced islam or christianty,they well lose this rights.
Beliefs may change but you can not change your parents.I suggest you to read a book titled"The thirteenth tribe"wrote by a famous jew writer.In this book the writer prove that the bulk of modern Jew is not of Palestinian,but of Caucasian origin.
Last point,you mention the Israelian state established in 1947,can I understand that you consider the rest of palestine(about 50% of palestine) are occupied and the jew must return to 1947 border,I accept this as a start.