08-09-2005, 07:45 AM
Quote:Rock wrote:
> we need them to end the Israelian occupation
I assume by "Israelian occupation" you are referring to the state of Israel. If so, then please be advised that, in the Koran, Allah (swt) clearly promises Israel to the Jews. The land belongs to them:
Apparently, the phrase "we will gather you together in a mingled crowd" is a reference to the establishment of a Jewish homeland (i.e., the founding of the State of Israel in 1947). If so, then Allah (swt) clearly wants Israel to exist as a homeland for the Jews.
Perhaps the root cause of all the problems Muslims are currently experiencing, is that Muslims are going against the will of Allah (swt) by refusing to recognize the right of Israel to exist.
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Reepi, why can't u stop that own translation of yours, and instead of assuming ask to clarify the meaning. [img]style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif[/img]
Now it is not what u have written here, and we muslims will never go against the will of Allah, we are against ourselves because we are not good muslims that is why palestine is occupied.
Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:
102:[Mûsa (Moses)] said: "Verily, you know that these signs have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as clear (evidences i.e. proofs of Allâh's Oneness and His Omnipotence, etc.). And I think you are, indeed, O Fir'aun (Pharaoh) doomed to destruction (away from all good)!" (Al-Isra 17:102)
103:So he resolved to turn them out of the land (of Egypt). But We drowned him and all who were with him. (Al-Isra 17:103)
104:And We said to the Children of Israel after him: "Dwell in the land, then, when the final and the last promise comes near [i.e. the Day of Resurrection or the descent of Christ ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) <><> <> on the earth]. We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd (gathered out of various nations).[Tafsir Al-Qurtubî, Vol. 10, Page 338] (Al-Isra 17:104)
105:And with truth We have sent it down (i.e. the Qur'ân), and with truth it has descended. And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) as nothing but a bearer of glad tidings (of Paradise, for those who follow your Message of Islâmic Monotheism), and a warner (of Hell-fire for those who refuse to follow your Message of Islâmic Monotheism). (Al-Isra 17:105)
Now when u cut and paste, take the ayahs before and after, this was at the time of Moses and the pharaoh, when the jews were beleivers, and still they gave Prophet Moses a hard time, and they started worshiping the cow when he left them to get The Torah.
And the final promise is the resurrection day as u see here in this translation, and it is not only the jews will come to this land but all nations from all over, all will be forced to this land by a fire that will start from yemen land to the holy land of palestine, then the end of the world will come.
This is in brief an explanation of this ayah that u put, and it is not in any way what u are trying to convey, so just stop cutting and pasting from those sites that translate Quran as they wish, this is not the right of any1 but The Prophet(PBUH) and scholars of knowledge. And I think we told u that many times reepi, so if u have anything u do not understand ask for a correct translation from a scholar or us, we will in return put for u the answer according to tafseer books or our scholars. I hope this point will be clear for u once and for all.
Peace