07-18-2005, 07:11 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-18-2005, 07:17 PM by Universist.)
Quote:Bismillah
salam all
Universist I dont think anyone here would address u, regardless of being a non Muslim in a disrepecful manner specially that i respected your approach on a post ending it with respect to all. I wish we can keep this. Calling Stanely hate subscriber is not accepted I am afraid.
My apologies.
I was outraged by the heresay without backing of a reference concerning the actions of soldiers. While the USA may be filled with decietful lying politicians, it is not true that all who serve the USA have a similar disposition. His comments were contrived and meant to cause anger.
Quote:If he is able to present u with facts that u dont want to believe that is different.
He did not post a "fact" in that message. He posted heresay. And I ask you to consider that if the story he reported of American Soldiers planting bombs in his cars were true and something done with regularity, why then is it not reported by Al Jezzera or Islam Online? Surely they are as equally as smart as the kafir American press and would be able to peform an investigative report proving that this is occuring.
Why do you allow someone to post messages filled with heresay, with no backing by any reliable source, and then defend it as "NEWS". Every post I make is taken from a NEWS source. I consider IslamOnline to be a credible NEWS source. Do you? Is the material that Stanley reports as reliable as IslamOnline? Do you support the right of any member to post inflamatory heresay and call it "NEWS".
If you wish to maintain the integrity of conversations on this thread, then you should consider requiring post in the NEWS section of your site to have some referenceable source which is acceptable by you as a source of truth. If you cite the news sources you consider reliable then I will abide by that list.
I would ask that you include at least one american, one british, one or more egyptian, and as many credible Islamic sources as you like in your list. Personally I am very interested in what the Iranian, Syrian, and Saudi press has to say as well. If we strive to identify truth, we will find it.
If we allow anyone with an ax to grind to post heresay, then the integrity of this thread is lost, and all will see that as a decision made by a muslim who admins this site. What is your truth in this regard? Do you support integrity or heresay.
Quote:However, rarely I do indulge in such conversations. But let me tell u that even if what u r saying is true, it proves that Muslims are to be blamed for what is happening since victory comes from Allah when we fight in the name of Allah and not in the name of a parliament chair, sect, nationalism.....whatever u may call.
and fighting in the name of Allah those who attack Muslim land has nothing to do with hate. Since to start with at this situation we are attacked.
So your saying America attacked Islam? Is that correct?
Quote:I know I asked this question on this board at least like 5 times.
But why is the US in Iraq? who assigned it World director?
If u r interested in knowing why i will provide u with a hadeeth (Prophet's saying) to tell u why.
Allah u akbar.
The US invaded Iraq because an evangelical right wing leader came to power in a hotly contested democratic elections process and then in service to the oldest powers on this earth, he and his band of neo-conservative right wing religious zealots bent on maintaining a control of oil, used a propped up arguments, and a thinly veiled mandate from God to pursue the economic interest of the global corporate leadership to wipe away the evil Saddam, and place among the muslims of Iraq an opportunity for democracy.
Its all a wierd, wrong headed approach to solving a problem that did not exist. WMD were not found and so that excuse evaporated in the wind. The truth of America and its invasion of Iraq will always be a bad truth. But this is nothing new, because if you roll back the clock and look at Islam, or Jewish, or Christian wars for the last 2000 years you find exactly the same political reasonings and motivations for war among all three. Every time a bad person gains control of an ideology, war follows.
Its the same broken record over and over and over.
You asked, othewise I would not have ever posted this answer.
And yes I would like to hear you version of it. Please do tell me this hadeeth. Please provide if you can a reference to it at:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/
So that I may have a chance to study all that surrounds it.
I appreciate your consideration.
With respect.
Universist