03-04-2005, 12:52 AM
Bismillah
Quote:Only Allah knows who really is a weak Muslim. You have described those who’d accept polygamy as patient/God fearing and true Muslims. Then you say “directly” whoever doesn’t endure to be in such a marriage is a weak Muslim and visa versa.
You have passed a judgement, there is nothing more left for me to say.
I seek refuge in Allah.
Sister intuition, u should know me better, I never pass a judgement on anyone, and I did not accuse u as being a weak muslim, and that is why I told u sorry and no offense, so that u won't take such a thing on yourself, but it seems, u did, and that is not what I meant. I was talking that in general as it is mentioned in many verses and ahadetth about the Sabroon, and I did not judge any one in person, I cannot do that, only Allah can Judge ones true Eman and not me. May Allah forgive me if I conveyed such a meaning to u. And accept my apology sister if I offended u.
Chapter 34: PERMISSIBILITY OF BESTOWING THE TURN ON ONE'S FELLOW-WIFE
Book 008, Number 3451:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Never did I find any woman more loving to me than Sauda bint Zam'a. I wished I could be exactly like her who was passionate. As she became old, she had made over her day (which she had to spend) with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to 'A'isha. She said: I have made over my day with you to 'A'isha. So Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) allotted two days to 'A'isha, her own day (when it was her turn) and that of Sauda.
Did u now understand my point of view, our mother Aisha was always jealous becasue she was young and full of energy, and our mother Sauda was patient and gave away her day to Our mother Aysha, why did our mother sauda do that? to please Allah(SWT) and The Prophet(SAW). Does that make our mother Aisha not pious or can we judge who is stronger in her Iman. Did u get my point now. May Allah forgive me if I was mistaken, and may Allah forgive u for misunderstanding me.
"Insha'Allah when Mr right comes along to marry me, I'm going to make my mehr and part of the marriage contract that he promises to always encourage me to be a better muslimah and to never re-marry while he's married to me."
I dont know about the underlined sister yasmin, I never heard that before, that u have the right to put that condition, can u fortify that with a hadeeth or fatwa sister, to make sure that u can make such a condition, thanking u for that, then u will add new information to us.
Wasalam
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Quote:But you did not make it seem that way in your post. Perhaps you were just angry at the time you composed it, but the way you sounded then.... there were only 2 options FOR ALL MEN. You lumped MY wonderful husband in with the scoundrels who are so sex-driven that they SEEMINGLY can't control themselves. You left no room for the possibility that there ARE men out there who are not like this
I did not lump your husband with anything Ronni, did I say anything bad about your husband, did i accuse him directly, I answered according to your post:
"Who would choose such a lifestyle of sharing your husband with someone else?"
U said that , didn't u, so I answered u back:
" And who could choose a lifestyle your husband having 10's of girlfriends behind your back, do u bear that ronni ?"
I said that, but I did not mean that your husband actually does that, I do not know him, how can I judge him. It was just to explain my point of view.
Quote:And no woman SHOULD have to take that. A man would never, NEVER, NEVER accept HIS wife being with another man. Why should a woman have to put up with that if she doesn't want to?
Ronni, from your point of view u c it that way, but in Islam it is different, and I think all of us explained that many times. But if a woman does not accept it, and wants to have a divorce it is her right and she can have it, no one will stop her.
Quote:Well, I don't know anything about this. Both are ridiculous to put up with. Neither is better than the other; they are equally as bad.
It is to u, but in Islam it is not, and we are not forcing that on u are we.?
Quote:Wrong. All wrong. NO WOMAN ACCEPTS this UNLESS she begins to convince herself that men just can't help themeselves or she thinks little of her own self. I will NEVER accept that men can't be satisifed with 1 woman, therefore I will never tolerate another wife OR a "chick on the side" and no woman in the world should, IMO.
I will not argue with u about that. it is your point of view, I respect it.
Quote:Thank you for saying that. I'm glad that this point is clarified; it just seemed that, in your mind, it was only 1 option or the other. But now I can see that you are NOT meaning to say that.
Alhamdulilah( Thank God), if people would read my posts, while they are not angry, they will understand what I mean. [img]style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]
Quote:Okay. I understand that Islam permits this. What I have seen, though, in these plural marriages is only more heartache, trouble, etc. than if 1 woman and 1 man would just stick to each other.
I think that any man who is truly sex-driven will never be satisfied even with 4 wives. Such men like the thrill and challenge of going after different women. They want to experience intercourse with all types of women with no strings attached. Having just 4 to choose from AND having to financially support them takes the "fun" out of it for such a person (if you can call them that). A good man is pleased to love and support his wife and cherish her and her only, not be driven my physical impulses to sleep with anything that comes his way.
Not always there is heartache and trouble, i know many plural marriages that are just fine and both or all 4 are happy. and u must know when Allah permitted 4, He put rules for that and strict rules, which I think were explained before. and the most important rule is to be just, so if he cannot then 1 is enough, and also financialy if he cannot support more than 1, then better not to take 2.
Quote:Perhaps another misunderstanding. I would never be here on an Islamic web site where I know that the prophet you love and admire and follow had multiple marriages. I would not make such a statement or implication like this.
I WILL say that any man who is just SO OUT-OF-CONTROL, that his hormones rule his life IS a dog. I mean, what's the difference except that he can speak with words and eat with a fork? Dogs go about trying to "conquer" whatever female dog is in heat.
Again your point of view, I respect it, but some men are just like that, so it is better that he put it in halal. but also such a situation Allah put rules for it if he cannot get married being poor, fasting.
Now I hope my point of view is clear, I was not attacking any1, I was explaining that polygamy is permissable in Islam, and the reasons for that fortified by Quran ans Sunnah. And I said if I was to be put in such a situation I would be patient and not ask for divorce. So is that a sin [img]style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif[/img]
Hasbiya Allah Wa ni'ma Al-Wakeel [img]style_emoticons/default/sad.gif[/img]
Peace
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