Allah's Description Of Those Who Ascribe A Son

[umm Zachariah]

Bismillah,


Dear sister Muslimah, forgive me for AGAIN come jumping into this thread. I said I would drop this, but on second thought I will make an last attempt. Why I don't know, Allah oalem. Maybe I am 'stubborn' ?


Wasalam


Ronniv,


Some thoughts to the verses that you commented.


The Qur’an 2 :75


<i>‘’Yet there is no proof of this anywhere. The only place that such a thing is noted is in the Quran.’’</i>


You are still denying the Islamic TEACHING – this can be read in the Revelation that contains 100 percent revealed words of Allah, SWT. You can continue to deny since you do not believe. Ronniv, if you continue this opposing struggle, how do you suppose you shall understand? You cannot understand if you don't believe, that standpoint you should comprehend?


The Qur’an 2:87


I repeat,


‘’…And We gave 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)]…’



To this you reply ‘’<i> Jesus was never "supported" by Gabriel? What does that even mean? The only thing recorded about Gabriel is that he announced the birth of Jesus to Mary. What type of support do Muslims think Gabriel gave to Jesus?</i>


And Gabriel has NEVER been known as or referred to as the Holy Spirit.’’


Reread the verse again Ronniv, ‘SUPPORTED HIM WITH RUH-UL-QUDUS’ reflect on that again – it does not say what you say.


You are mixing things up here, there is NO holy spirit in Islam, this expression is a unity in the trinity in Christianity, it has NOTHING to do with Islam. You cannot take one expression from Christianity and then just lift if over to Islam, and interpret it the way you are used to. Then you will not understand anything, and it is where you seem to be now, you try to put doctrines from your belief and suite them into Islam – but never is that applicable.


The Qur’an 2:89


My understanding about the references to His earlier scriptures is that He is telling us to believe in that it is HE that came with the revelations. That we shall not doubt that He has sent us revelations. And He does not tell us anything here about the STATUS of the earlier revelations. May Allah, SWT guide me if I have understood this wrongly and forgive me.


<i>‘’ So, how can Jews or Christians be "cursed" for disbelieving when the Quran itself says that it IS CONFIRMING their Books, yet it contradicts them at every turn?’’</i>


Read part of the verse again – ‘’ although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad ﻢﻠﺳﻭ ﻪﻴﻠﻋ ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﻰﻠﺻ) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers."



If you read this again, and ponder about it, maybe you see WHY Allah, SWT calls them disbelievers and the reason WHY He curses them.


This verse has nothing to do with ‘confirming’ earlier scriptures, it is about something else. This is a very usual ‘misunderstanding’ that many anti-Islamic sources use. If you are sincere, try to look at the verse instead.


The Qur’an 2:101


What I understand this is about the Qur’an and nothing else, confirming here means confirming or 'repeating' some truths from earlier revelations, but they that recoqnize the truth of the Qur’an, has chosen not to believe in it. In spite of that they know it is the Truth.


The Qur’an 2:146


<i>‘’ But we DON'T recognize Muhammad. There ARE NO descriptions of Muhammad in the Bible and AGAIN.... Why would Allah appeal to books that HE should have known were corrupt anyway?’’</i>


That is the problem. There ARE descriptions of Muhammad, saws in the Bible, and perhaps there have been even clearer one’s in the revelations? How can WE be sure of that, since most Christians themselves today admit that the Bible is not 100 percent word of God, so how can you KNOW something when you don’t have the whole picture? But the One that sent the revelations Knows, and therefore we also know, IF we care to listen to Him.


The Qur’an 3:70-71


<i>‘’ Same thing again. There is nothing about Muhammad in the Torah or the Gospel.’’</i>


Your word against the Revealed words of Allah, SWT.


<i>‘’ And we disbelieve because on one-hand, the Quran claims to be confirming our books yet in reality, it contradicts it. So AGAIN... Why does Allah appeal to our "false scriptures"?’’</i>


Yes YOU disbelieve in the Qur’an, yes Allah, SWT confirms His earlier REVELATIONS, that they come from Him. It has nothing to do with confirming the RSV or the KJV as the look today. You must distinguish between REVELATION and rewritten or translated books.


<i>‘’ Why did you assume that the problem is my understanding?’’</i>


It surely look that way. Why I don’t know, do you?


<i>‘’ To me, the Quran, at least in the English translations, are written at almost a 3rd-grade reading level; VERY simple/simplistic. It is NOT that hard to read it (except for the vague passages that even Muslims themselve have a hard time explaining or understanding).’’</i>


I agree, they are very simple. As you say ‘they are not hard to read’, even I understand them that do not have English as my native language. BUT when you READ you must also REFLECT and PONDER about what you read, otherwise you will not UNDERSTAND, no matter how simple the text is that is before you.


Ronniv, do you REALLY want to understand, or is your aim another one? To me it begins to look like another one… And we have gone well on so far. What path shall we take from here? Any suggestions? Shall we close up or study Islam from the startingpoint 0, where we don't have any large anti-package-towards-Islam with us? To me is begins to be only these two choices since nothing that is there in-between seems to clear things up for you. WHY? - only Allah, SWT Knows that.


Regards