06-15-2003, 08:15 AM
Quote:Because I don't know what you are referring to with this 24,000 thing. The dead sea scrolls???The fact is the Bible has been changed, and that is what matters.[/quote:2dcf46bd50]24,000 things - the number of Gospel manuscripts discovered. though many in number, these manuscripts hold amazing consistency with each other.</div></blockquote>
Dead Sea Scrolls -
"Probably the Dead Sea Scrolls have had the greatest Biblical impact. they have provided Old Testament manuscripts approximately 1,000 years older than our previous oldest manuscript. The Dead Sea Scrolls have demonstrated that the Old Testament was accurately transmitted during this interval. In addition, they provide a wealth of information on the times leading up to, and during, the life of Christ.[i:2dcf46bd50]--Dr. Bryant Wood, archaeologist, Associates for Biblical Research[/i:2dcf46bd50]
here for more info:
http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a023.html
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="311" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why does the Bible refer to David as the 'Son of God' and the tribe of Israel as 'God's Son.' [/quote:2dcf46bd50]the difference is, Jesus has been referred to as "God's only begotten Son."
and i believe David is referred to as "son of God" whereas Jesus is called, "Son of God."
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="311" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And where does it say that Jesus says 'I am GOD?' [/quote:2dcf46bd50]no, but He said:
[i:2dcf46bd50] Jhn 10:30 I and my Father are [b:2dcf46bd50]one.[/b:2dcf46bd50][/i:2dcf46bd50]
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="311" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And who is it that Jesus prays to if he is in fact God?[/quote:2dcf46bd50]Jesus is both God and Man.
He can forgive Sins and perform miracles because of His Divine nature.
but because He's a Man, He needs to pray too.(just as how He was tempted, because He's a Man --- but still God)
He didn't pray to Himself, but to God the Father.
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="311" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What in your mind makes a particular version 'authentic?'[/quote:2dcf46bd50]if they are derived from the manuscripts.
and right back at you: with the different versions of the Quran, how do you know you're reading the authentic one?
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="311" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is the copy I have, thanks. Also it is the copy my mother had. Two very different texts.[/quote:2dcf46bd50]what are their differences?
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="311" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nope. They did it all on their own. [/quote:2dcf46bd50]*points at the manuscripts*
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="311" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And just to keep your facts straight: Muhammad (pbuh) did not come to preach the Gospels. [/quote:2dcf46bd50]He did not preach the Gospel, but he sure brought a different Gospel.
Muhammad claimed that an angel appeared to him and dictated the Quran...
that's one.
yet this "angel" gave him a "Gospel" different from the real Gospels!
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="311" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Before you make a make a comparison between the Bible and the Quran, you would do well to at least read the Quran first so you know what you are comparing. Otherwise I don't see much sence in making a reply.[/quote:2dcf46bd50]sorry, i don't believe because of emotions or opinions but of evidences.
i can probably be moved with Harry Potter, Pride and Prejudice and Left Behind series but doesn't mean these books are true.
i'd like to see manuscripts of Quran which can rival the number New testament's.
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