Quote:Anya, I don't think rock was referring to christmas when he talked about sharing in non-muslim celebrations, because he mentioned that he thought it was not forbidden only if the celebration did not contradict our belief. But I just wanted to point out that when it comes to new years, it's not just that we dont have the same year, thats not the reason not to celebrate it. The reason is that the celebration has pagan origins,
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I didn't say the rock was referring to Christmas specifically, this is why in my response i put (or new year) in brackets if you notice, and then i mention it next to Christmas on another occasion. It's still supposed to be, as is understood in this day and age now, it is still the year/calander that is supposed to be based around Christ in some way. This is why i put the Qur'an verses up. Christmas / New Year it's still originally based on him, or a year based around his so called birthday, so it seemed relevant to display what God would think about us celebrating the change of a new year which is based on his begotten son. And even if was not based around Christs birthday and a seperate celebration from him, i still stand by what i said, it's not our celebration, it's Kafir celebration. But it is in someway based around Christ. Living and abiding by the year, like when signing forms, or whatever we have no choice of course, but to celebrate, or join in the coming of a new one? When rock said
Quote:I think that it is not forbidden to celebrate in any occasion if there is no contradiction between this occasion and our believe ,and without talking or doing any forbidden things.and I think that sharing non-muslems their happiness consider a type of good relations which may lead them to islam.
Now because he said this In response to a topic where we are talking about new year, because he didn't indicate any other celebration, it's only natural to assume he was speaking about new year. Because this is the topic.
So new year is a Kafir celebration, and as it said in the Hadith, unless i have got this wrong, someone correct me. As The Messanger (Peace be ipon him) said in the Hadith even to imitate the Kafir in anything, whether it's Pagan or not, is to be one of them. New year is a huge celebration by Kafir, regardless of whether it's our year or not, or if it's Pagan or not, it's not a Muslim celebration, so, if we are following the ways of The Prophet (Peace be upon him) then no matter what the reason, we shouldn't celebrate New Year.
So if a Muslim simply wishes to decline celebrating new year because "it's not their year" this would seem to me a Valid reason, as valid as the whole Pagan thing you go into, which they really wouldn't need to go into to explain their reasons, simply saying it's not our year in my eyes would be enough. The fact is, it's a Kafir celebration. Same with st george day over here in UK, or anything like it. If it's not Islamic personally, i'm polite on the day not interested and avoid it. How many Kafir congratulate you on Eid? If it's a lot then Allhumdullilah. However you need to come to the UK to see the flip side. It's not even known by them, i know because i was Kafir myself, and i never knew when it was or what it was.
Regardless, what ever the reason for not celebrating new year a muslim gives, it's all the same. It is not an Islamic celebration, so we shouldn't join in. I agree with this thought, I go by the Hadith. If the Hadith wasn't there, this would still be my way of thinking because i am so proud to be Muslim anyhow. The thought of having to comprimise my beliefs to seem polite joining in with non belivers celebrating some loopy thing or another....<b>not interested.</b>
Subhan-Allah, of course obviously Allah Knows best. May he forgive me for my errors.
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