The Qur'an On Trial

[Purgetory]

Muslims believe that the Quran was written directly by Allah, given to the angel Gabriel, and handed down to Muhammad. Thus, it is perfect in its original language, and in fact, cannot even be translated properly by any human - but must be read in Arabic (Suras 12:2; 13:37; 41:41,44). Unfortunately, this makes the Quran unreadable by approximately 800 million Muslims.[/quote:d3dc8f17fa]

There are several good translations in any language, yet non the less, its common sense that a translation cannot be exactly the same as the original language in which any book has been written. Considering it a book of God, every specific word has been chosen for a reason. You see my friend, in Arabic, there are several words that have the same meaning, yet still each one gives a different feeling, a different…pulse….pressure, if I may say, its hard to explain realy…its like describing the color blue to a blind man.

Yet that doesn’t mean the English translation is a complete non-sense compared to the Arabic original, its just not the same. Non the less, its not THAT bad, not realy a subject to be very concerned with.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="304" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> The Quran contains grammatical errors (Suras 2:177,192; 3:59; 4:162; 5:69; 7:160; 13:28; 20:66; 63:10...) In fact, more than 100 aberrations from the Arabic language have been noted by Arabic scholars.[/quote:d3dc8f17fa]Now why don’t you tell me how I can reply to that to a man that doesn’t know Arabic. I can post the verses in Arabic for you, yet could you read them? This point is useless, it doesn’t mark anything on your side because you don’t know that this is true for sure. Did you see thoughs errors yourself? Can you name the scholars and show us where on the web did they say that?

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="304" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> The Quran uses words foreign to the Arabic language. These include Egyptian, Hebrew, Greek, Ethiopian, Persian...over 100 in all. This also shows the manner in which Muhammad borrowed stories from merchants as they passed through Mecca.[/quote:d3dc8f17fa]You have given us verses of other points, yet of all of them, this is the one which can be truly seen if true or not by quoteing from the Qoran…and I see no quote. Doesn’t this tell you something?

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="304" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> There is absolutely no doubt among western and Arabic scholars that many variant readings exist for the Quran (over 140 for just one sura!). Now, that in itself should not be important, except we must remember that Muslim doctrine states that the Quran is perfect and that it exists in only one form - that which was handed down to Muhammad by the angel Gabriel.[/quote:d3dc8f17fa]I don’t know what exactly your talking about, yet I know for sure, in reading the Qoran, I have heard different tones given. If you ever hear the Qoran being read, you will notice some kind of music which the reciter does of his own. Nothing vitial for reading, only desirable for some people. These tones could defer, and could not exist sometimes, depends on the guy reciting.

Do you think this is realy that important? The Book still holds its words.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="304" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> Uthman's standardized version of the Quran (the one currently accepted by Islam) has verses missing (over 120 verses from just one sura!). This fact is universally recognized. The Quran has gone through an "editing" process since the time of the original collection of documents. Uthman's standard version is in itself proof of the malleability of the Quran...what need is there for a standardized text if no variations exist? Verses have been removed, added, changed...interestingly the Muslim excuse is that Allah may "change his mind" on certain teachings. Is this not the way of all false religions?[/quote:d3dc8f17fa]

Excuse? Excuse for what? This is the first time I ever heard of such a thing! Realy strange what you guys could come up with.

I have said this before. How can you edit a book that have been memorized in our minds for centuries. How can you change a book engraved in the mental world? You cant even remove a letter, not to mention verses! In life, there are three generations. The granddad, father, and son. If the son is memoriseing edited Qoran, believe it or not, his father or grandfather will notice and right the wrong.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="304" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There is no such thing as an "original" Quran. The fact is that Muhammad spoke the contents of the Quran during his fits or when something needed to be done. Sometimes those words would be recorded, sometimes not. Often they were written on leaves or sticks. None of these original writings exist today. Period. The "heavenly language" of the Quran is, conveniently, not only in Muhammad's own tongue, but in the dialect of his own tribe! What are the odds?[/quote:d3dc8f17fa]

Yes, the Qoran was written back then on leaves, stick and bones and also memorized by heart. Until later it was compiled into a book. The Qoran is there now, the only thing I can answer you with is go read it and find out for yourself. How am I to prove to you that the Qoran is written in a type of Arabic never been used before. It is in a level of its own. Yet you wont believe me nor any one who tells you this. So realy, those comments your making simply don’t have any answer for you. Unless you trust us, the only answer you could find is by studying Arabic and checking for yourself. As for my part, I am telling you, the Qoran is in a level of its own when it comes to the style of Arabic it is written in. Cant say more can I?

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="304" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> The eloquence of the Quran is merely a matter of opinion. It is a confused collection of jumbled suras, often wordy and in no particular order. It has been called "humiliating to the human intellect"..."mediocre literature"..."exceedingly incoherent"..."badly edited"... "obtusely arranged" (and these last two from a Muslim scholar!).[/quote:d3dc8f17fa]This is were the language doesn’t matter. Here is a link with English and Arabic Qoran. Click on any verse and scroll up to start reading from the beginning. Then come back and speak for your self and not through the mind of others whom you have taken this article off.

http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islamic/qur...le/subject1.htm

You have not given any proofs again Whispers. All what you did was judge judge and judge. Any proofs from the Qoran would make your judgment more stable. You did give verses for a few things, which we cant reply to you about because they deal with the Arabic language which you are of ignorance in. non the less, you take what is said against Islam to heart without seconding it. Would you take what us arabs and muslims that read the Qoran at least once every year and memorise it to heart? We have more basis and can be trusted more than your sourse. We own copies of the Qoran and we read and memorise them. Did the author of your article do that? Who can you trust more? Yet I’m expecting from you not to trust us, which doesn’t matter realy.

The main thing is, try to prove your point after making them.

Why don’t you start with the hard ones, eh whisper?

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