Blame It On Me Dude!

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As far as I can tell, that is what she is, though. She has repeatedly leveled claims against me and my character which I have corrected over and over again. Thus, for her to keep saying them with no proof means what? It's a lie.

I think Rehmat is a He and not She, well i dont know about the proofs he has, but I would appreciate if u both don't call each others names, this is to both of u and not only u ronni, we want to keep this forum a healthy one right

What makes the Quranic version true and the Biblical one false?

Because Allah says so, it is mentioned in The Holy Quran, and I explained to u before ronni that we as muslims use The Quran & Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad as reference for us, and I told u in a previous post I do not need to Quote from the Bible or Torah, The Quran is my only resource, u accept it okay, u do not it is your free will dear, did u c us force u in beleiving, take it or leave it no compulsry , so like this I will not attack u and u will not attack me.

And really, I don't see the big difference. They both ate from the tree that was forbidden and they both suffered consequences as a result. Where is the earth-shaking difference in terms of their sin and disobedience?

The earth shaking difference is what your collegue christynicole1974 posted:


And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.



All this paragraph is the earth shaking difference, especially the underlined, this is


not true. Eve is not to blame and Eve did not give adam an apple to eat or whatever


fruit. In this paragraph it shows A God who is filled with vengence and no mercy, is this a charasteristic of a true God? While in The Holy Quran Look what it says:


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:


37. Then Adam received from his Lord Words . And his Lord pardoned him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One Who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful.



The only punishment was to leave the heaven and live on earth, The beleivers then will go to the heavens and non beleivers to hell,and that was written long before Adam and Eve were created. So do u c the difference now?

Well, the devil is to blame. If he hadn't come to tempt Eve, then she probably would have never touched it. But he placed thoughts and doubts in her mind. So, she was deceived by the devil.

Again sorry another difference, I do not want to repeat myself.

Neither does the Bibe punish Eve alone. Everyone was punished: The serpent, Adam and Eve. It is a HUGE Muslim misconception that only Eve was punished. I don't know why this misunderstanding exists when one can easily read the story for themselves and see that this statement is false.

Vice verse Dear, jews and christians monks changed the word of Allah for worldly gains.


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:


159. Verily, those who conceal the clear proofs, evidences and the guidance, which We have sent down, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book, they are the ones cursed by Allâh and cursed by the cursers.



160. Except those who repent and do righteous deeds, and openly declare (the truth which they concealed). These, I will accept their repentance. And I am the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful.


174. Verily, those who conceal what Allâh has sent down of the Book, and purchase a small gain therewith (of worldly things), they eat into their bellies nothing but fire. Allâh will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor purify them, and theirs will be a painful torment.


175. Those are they who have purchased error at the price of Guidance, and torment at the price of Forgiveness. So how bold they are (for evil deeds which will push them) to the Fire.


176. That is because Allâh has sent down the Book (the Qur'ân) in truth. And verily, those who disputed as regards the Book are far away in opposition.


213. Mankind were one community and Allâh sent Prophets with glad tidings and warnings, and with them He sent the Scripture in truth to judge between people in matters wherein they differed. And only those to whom (the Scripture) was given differed concerning it after clear proofs had come unto them through hatred, one to another. Then Allâh by His Leave guided those who believed to the truth of that wherein they differed. And Allâh guides whom He wills to a Straight Path. 2, Surat Al-Baqara

Again, I don't understand why this misconception exists that the Bible is so horrible towards women. Why aren passages like Proverbs 31 ignored that say a virtuous woman is more valuable than rubies? Why aren't passages that tell the husband to love his wife as Christ loved the church and GAVE HIMSELF for it ever quoted? Why aren't passages about all the women that Jesus commended for their faith ever quoted? Where does this idea come from that a woman in the Bible is not respected?
I swear, I just don't get it.


Are Muslim scholars or teachers preaching this kind of stuff? Where is it coming from?

We did not say that all that is in the Torah and Bible is not true, otherwise we would not say That Prophet Muhammad is mentioned in your books would we , if some quote special verses or we try to correct some, because they are wrong and are not the true word of Allah.

I call it as I see it, radiyah. If someone keeps telling things that are untrue about me, I don't know what else that is except a lie.
And whether I accept the Quran or not is one thing. Maybe I will one day and maybe I won't. Right now, I see all these inaccuracies coming from this person about my faith and I correct it.

Okay no pro with that, but as I said we want this a healthy forum

Only, apparently, in the minds of Muslims is it contradictory.
Many things about Islam are contradictory IN MY OPINION. That's why we are different faiths right now. Because we DON'T see eye-to-eye.

Well maybe u need to work harder on that, nothing in Islam is contradictory, maybe u do not understand it, but no contradiction, and I would like to remind u we are not scholars we do not know everything we are trying our best dear to show u the truth, if we fail, it is from our ignorance and little teachings and our fault, and not because Islam is wrong. Give it another serious try ronni. And we are willing to help

And I am learning about Islam, although not from Rehmat. To me, she seems to spend more time quoting the Bible than the Quran or Hadith. But learning about Islam is one thing; someone spreading falsehoods about someone else's faith is another. Why the need to keep telling falsehoods about another's faith? Islam should be able to stand on it's own without having to put others down.

Exactly that is what I said before, and what the admin is trying to tell members.

And I do. But you know what? It seems to do nothing but 1) waste my time because 2) nobody seems to pay any attention.
Like that one thread started by someone about how Paul supposedly corrupted the whole Christian faith. I put a lot of time and effort into reading each and every line and correcting everything that was incorrect (which was most of the article) and NO ONE including the original poster acknowledged what I had said. So why should I put forth so much effort when it will be overlooked and ignored? But I still do it anyway, because otherwise people will accuse me of not being able to support what I say.

Well okay with that

See? You believe that only the Quran's version is the correct one and concluded that anyone who says anything different has lied. How is that different from me saying that someone has lied?

Yes The Quran is the only correct version, and I did not call u a liar directly, it is


those who changed the book who are dead now and have become ashes i guess

As you know, I do not accept this. Not even all Muslims say this (and this comes from people who SPECIALIZE in studying the Quran and it's history). And frankly, even if this were true, which it is not, it does not prove that the Quran is divine.

All muslims say that The Quran is one ronni, u provoked this in another post and me and sister muslimah furnished u with what is called the 7 and ten readings, do we have to keep repeating ourselves


http://www.islamsms.com/bb/index.php?s...opic=2034&st=30

But who is saying this? Not me. Not any REAL Christian. REAL Christians seek to be just that - Christ-like. And Christ NEVER sinned. The only person in history to never fall to sin. No Christian makes up excuses to sin. We are looking for ways OUT OF sin. No true Christian who understands his or her faith says that because Jesus died for us, then we can sin all we want to. That is ridiculous to my mind and my spirit.

Well I know many christians who do say that, and many who wrote this on the net, so u c what i am trying to say,christians are divided into many different beleives, some say he is God, some say he is the Son of God, and some say he is a prophet and this sect is the correct one but they do not beleive in Muhammad(PBUH) and The Holy Quran, so no use, if they call him a liar, and deny the true word of Allah, then they are losers.

Who said anything about God leaving the world???

well what does it mean when u say his soul is within the body of jesus christ? or was I wrong in understanding in what u wrote in the link I provided above.?

Okay. Prove to me that Jews called Ezra "the son of God" as the Quran says. I've never seen ANY solid proof of this.

LOL , what do u want me to do ronni go and search in the Torah for proof, which is filled with falsities, and I told u before, the Quran and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad is the only proof I provide, I will not Quote from any other books. The Word of Allah is enough proof:


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:


30. And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allâh, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allâh. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allâh's Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!
9, Surat Al-Tawba


And okay I will ask a scholar about this for u, if u need details, I didn't claim to know everything, did I .

I highly doubt that, because I didn't come to this forum with the goal of "proving the Quran wrong". I asked questions about it and refused to accept that there is only 1 Arabic copy of it, but I never had the intention of "proving it wrong". So, you can't say that anyone gave me enough proof against something I didn't even try to do.

Oh if u dont have the intention to okay, but u keep saying it in all your posts.


well enough for today, I am getting tired, and I think that everybody here try to control themselves and stop attacking each other, and ronn i will keep u in my prayers, maybe a light will strike from between the lines or from anywhere in the world and emerge into your heart have a nice day


Peace