11-15-2004, 05:19 PM
Quote:1. Jesus (as) bowed down in submission on the ground to God - {Matthew 26:39}
Jesus (as) said: “All of you who submit your will to God, are my true brothers and sisters (Mark 3:31-35).’
(Matthew 7:21-23) "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers! (Matthew 7:21-23).”
2. This proves that Jesus (as) was neither a Jew nor a Christian.
Now let us see where the name Jew comes from. {Gen 11:31} we see that Abraham took his family out of his homeland "Ur of the Chaldees". Therefore, Abraham could not have been a Jew because that is a part of Iraq.
3. He was more an Arab than a Jew. Secondly, the name Jew came after the existence of Judah, the great-grandson of Abraham.
Abraham in the Bible is called "a Hebrew" {Genesis 14:13} which means a human from the other side of the Euphrates. It also means pertaining to Eber a descendant of Shem, clearly not "a Jew”. The descendants of Jacob were called Israelites {Gen 32:28} consisting of twelve tribes. Judah was nicknamed "Jew" so that only Judah's descendants were called Jews originally.
Moses (as), was from the tribe "Levite" {Exodus 6:16-20} therefore also not a Jew. The name Jew {according to the Bible} is not a reflection of "an organized religion" as Jews want us to believe, but a Tribe, a forename, an ancestor branch off of a large family tree. But worse of all that racism – 90% of Western Jews don’t even belong to those 12 Tribes – They are Mongolian Khazars, of Turkic race, who adopted Judaism in the 10th century.
4. Jesus may have been a Jew by birthright, but a Muslim by Faith.
<b>Point 1</b>
It is not proven from the verse quoted that Jesus "bowed down in submission on the ground".
I'm not saying he didn't bow in prayer, but simply that the verse used here says nothing about that.
<b>Point 2</b>
Neither is point 2 proven by the verse quoted. It is well-known that Jesus DID IN FACT follow the Jewish laws, except that He came to teach SOME new things and CLARIFY some old things. He studied the Torah and taught in the synagogues.
So, how you could say He wasn't a Jew by practice or faith is beyond me. And it would make sense that Jesus wasn't a Christian, because the word means to be "Christ-like", or emulate Christ. Well, Christ couldn't emulate Himself; He could only BE Himself.
<b>Point 3</b>
Why the history revisionism. It is well-known that the Jews are traced back to Isaac and the Arabs are traced back to Ishmael. Both of them came FROM Abraham. Abraham was a HEBREW by race/ethnicity. Plain and simple.
And the term JEW as it has been used in history and modern times can refer either to people who are ETHNICALLY Jewish (Israelites) or who are Jews by FAITH (i.e., following the Torah and the writings of the other OT prophets).
<b>Point 4</b>
It has not been proven, even partially, that Jesus was a Muslim by faith.
What would a "Muslim by faith" have even practiced or believed in back then? There was no Quran. There was no Muhammad. He didn't observe Ramadan or run around the Kaaba. He didn't have the command to pray 5 times a day.
Jesus taught the TORAH and the TANACH. Those are Jewish writings.
And yes, I know you hate Jews, but this is FACT.
So, being a Muslim back then meant being a Jew (as Jesus was)? Is that what you're saying?