Paul: How He Invented The Current Christian Faith

[radiyah]

Hi Radiyah,
Thank you for clarifying what he/she meant by "asking forgiveness."


It is a reasonable request to ask someone to furnish proof of what they state or claim, so let me begin. The article is rather lengthy, so I'll have to conduct this in parts or sections.

U r welcome Ronn . And thanku for furnishing answers.


Now let me write down here my own opinion.


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem( In The Name of God Most Gracious Most Merciful)


We start our speach with the name of God One God we Worship, so are we as muslims claiming that there is another God than Him, In arabic we call him Allah, so is that different, in a previous post we both agreed me and u that there is no one who is worthy of worship but one God right? so here we stand on one solid ground Ronni, One God One Creator .


Now as for me I never read the Bible or Torah as a whole, I just read bits and pieces of it which of course I was not convinced with. But this is not the big issue, the issue is that I do not need to read the Bible or Torah while we have our own Book The Quran the only one book that has never been changed since 1425 years, which initself a miracle, Allah stated in The Holy Quran That he will preserve it and it was preserved, how was it to be known for Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) as a human being that it will be preserved?


Bismillah Al-ahman Al-Raheem:






9. Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'ân) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption) . 15, Surat Al-Hijr.


Now to me when a christian or a jew come and ask me why Islam, and ask me questions about Islam I will answer about that, I will present my proofs to that from Quran and Sunnah, if u were not convinced that does not mean that The Quran is wrong or Islam is not a true relegion, it means I was mistaken or I miss presented my answers.


Also to me with full respect to my brothers, I have The Quran and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) as strong proof that Islam is the only relegion that is accepted by God, I do not need to prove the Bible or the Torah are wrong by Quoting from it, Our Holy Quran has enough Proof for that which I will Quote from.


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:


64. Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allâh, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."



65. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you dispute about Ibrâhim (Abraham), while the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) were not revealed till after him? Have you then no sense?


66. Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that which you have no knowledge? It is Allâh Who knows, and you know not.


67. Ibrâhim (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa (Islâmic Monotheism - to worship none but Allâh Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrikûn (See V.2:105).


68. Verily, among mankind who have the best claim to Ibrâhim (Abraham) are those who followed him, and this Prophet (Muhammad ) and those who have believed (Muslims). And Allâh is the Walî (Protector and Helper) of the believers.


83. Do they seek other than the religion of Allâh (the true Islâmic Monotheism worshipping none but Allâh Alone), while to Him submitted all creatures in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly. And to Him shall they all be returned.


84. Say (O Muhammad ): "We believe in Allâh and in what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down to Ibrâhim (Abraham), Ismâ'il (Ishmael), Ishâque (Isaac), Ya'qûb (Jacob) and Al-Asbât [the twelve sons of Ya'qûb (Jacob)] and what was given to Mûsa (Moses), 'Iesa (Jesus) and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between one another among them and to Him (Allâh) we have submitted (in Islâm)."


85. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.


3, Al-Imran


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:


1. In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.



2. All the praises and thanks be to Allâh, the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists).


3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.


4. The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)


5. You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).


6. Guide us to the Straight Way


7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).


This Surra is called The Opening, in this Surrah Allah The most beneficient, Summerizes in 7 short ayas, what is in the Whole Holy Quran, as a begining, which describes God's greatness and onnes and why should we worship him, and that we should ask his guidance to the straight path and not as those who earned God's anger or those who went astray. It focused on the right guidance at its best onnes and uniqness of God, and that we should ask that Guidance from only him, in order to live in the most pleasing way and when we ask Allah we should be polite and most humble in asking him, since we are his creations and slaves, we do not need any media between us and Him Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.


This is Islam in short, full submission to one God who created the heavens and earth, who no1 is capable of reaching to him physically in this world, or him being on the earth or even his soul in any creation of his. He is One Unique, nothing is like Him, He never eats or sleeps, or do anything we humans do, then how can he look after all this huge universe if he just leave it alone for a second.


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:


255. <b>Allâh! Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth.</b> Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter . And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursî extends over the heavens and the earth, <b>and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them.</b> And He is the Most High, the Most Great. [This Verse 2:255 is called Ayat-ul-Kursî.]



This is Allah The devine who does not sleep or slumber, does not eat does not do anything as humans do again He is Devine He is Unique. So are we as muslims saying anything that is against the slightest right intellect. U as a human being Ronni are Unique in your creation, there is no1 like u, not before not now, and prove to that is your finger prints, right , and new proof now I saw a program the other day called high tech, a new gadget has been created for staff to enter their office is by the eye print, because that was proven also that no one eye is the same as the other. So if u as a human being unique in your creation then what about The Creator?


Now in a previous post u said u read The Quran, and u came to The conclusion that the verses do not relate to each other, which I told u they do. And I said it was not a novel or a story that u will read overnight just to pass time, it is a way of life. From The Holy Quran many sciences were derived, it contains everything. So it needs a long life study, and no matter how much u study it u will still dig out knowledge from it. Even we as muslims, if we say that we know everything in The Quran, then only then we are Ignorant, even our Scholars, they do not claim full knowledge, because they know that The Quran is a book of Faith and knowledge till the day of resurriction. The Surras in The Quran each of them has important main points which are:


- Date of Revelation.


- The subject of The Surrah and its purpose or aim.


- The method of speach and way of approach.


- The merit or advantages of The Surrah and its status or degree.


Now I will talk a bit about the method, and I will leave the rest for now (they will need lots of explanation). In the method of speech there is direct speech and indirect, the direct is we may say understandable, the indirect then needs explanation, here comes the turn of The Hadeeth which translates to us those undirect verses or those who are vague(by us mere human beings, since this is the word of Our Creator) and un-understandable, and even the Hadeeth itself is taught to him by Allah through Gabriel, He does not speak or utter a word from his own self.


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem:


1. By the star when it goes down, (or vanishes).



2. Your companion (Muhammad ) has neither gone astray nor has erred.


3. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.


4. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.


5. He has been taught (this Qur'ân) by one mighty in power [Jibrael (Gabriel)].


Now u will ask me why should I beleive Muhammad(Pbuh), then I will answer, because of his high Morals, no1 did ever have high morals as him, his truthfulness and trustworthy, even those who were Kuffar approved of his honesty and truthfulness, his roots and descendants are to our father Abraham so what more noble blood do we need. Never did he lie, never did he ask for worldly gains, never did he commit adultry, and he was loved by all at his time, and those who disbeleived in him, the Kuffar, was out of envy and becasue Islam came and made everybody equal no1 is better than any, no racial discremination, deep down inside their hearts they knew(the kuffar) that he said the truth but they denied it for their own worldly gains. Now I will ask u if u have a collegue at work, who has high morals, never lied, doesnt drink, does not commit adultry, respect people, rich and poor, and helps every1, would u not beleive him if he told u anything, Why? because he never lied, and he was raised on high morals. So was our Prophet never ever did he tell a lie in his life, he is the most noble person on earth, and The word of Allah is enough proof for that :


Bismillah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem :






4. And verily, you (O Muhammad ) are on an exalted standard of character., 68, Al-Qalam


Now I know I talked much this time, but what my aim was actually is that the basis I will set any dialogue with u or any other non muslim, is The Quran & The Sunnah since u come asking questions about islam, if u do not accept or u r not convinced, then no compulsry it is your own choice with full respect, I do not need to attack u or u attack me. And I do not need to show the faults of any other books because I did not read them and I will not, The proof is already in The Holy Quran which is enough for me as a muslim, and I will also leave this to my fellow Muslims who were christians who reverted who know in the Bible more than me, which I still stress being as muslim The Quran(The Unique Word of Allah-SWT-) and Sunnah(Speech of our Prophet-PBUH-) are enough proof.


No offense to any1, may Allah The Almighty accept from me, all that I write is to please The only One God and Creator Allah The Merciful, if I am right it is from Allah(SWT) if I am wrong it is from my own mistake ignorance, and the devil.


Peace