How Jesus Christ (pbuh) Described The Glory Of Pro

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Umm_Zachariah


<b>I said</b>

''How, for instance, could a person claim to be a Muslim but then they also believe that Muhammad was not the last prophet? Wouldn't that be denying a very basic tenet/belief of Islam?''

<b>You said</b>,
Do you KNOW that there are any Muslims that do it? You forget that there is a MINIMUM demand to be able to call oneself a MUSLIM and that is to adhere to the five pillars of Islam.

Yes, I do. There's a whole group calling themselves "progressive Muslims".


They believe in Muhammad, but they would say that the Muslim confession of belief in him does not EXCLUDE other prophets from coming after him. They don't interpret "seal" to mean that there would never ben any more prophets to come after him. I haven't studied this in a while, but I think they believe that Muhammad was the last "apostle" but that's not exactly the same as "prophet".


They have web sites all and groups all over the internet that tell what they believe. They interpret the Quran differently from what I had ever heard before.

So the belief you refer to should be easy to leave out, is in the first pillar, and you cannot pretend it isn't there. Maybe to fool yourself, but certainly not Allah, SWT.

*I* am not trying to fool anyone, least of all myself. I'm just telling you what OTHERS, calling themselves Muslim, have said to me.

You still are trying to get to the point that the Qur'an is not what Allah, SWT, states that it is.

Again, I am doing no such thing. I am again telling you what OTHERS, calling themselves Muslim, have said. The fact that the Quran says it was revealed by Allah (the quote you gave me) is not equal to saying "This copy you are reading is exactly the same as the one first given to Muhammad."


Again, this information is all coming from Muslims.

And I am sure you will still struggle much to find a Muslim that agrees with you.

Please don't misunderstand my intentions. *I* did not have a position that I then tried to find support for. I had an open mind about everything, questioned everything, then looked for information from which to form an opinion.


I would not know of variant texts if <b>Muslims</b> hadn't talked about it.

You could leave some references.

I think I will do that. Probably start a separate thread just to leave some references and discuss them.

Now is the question, from what SOURCES are you going to learn about the Qur'an? If you decide to do it from the Islamic point of view, which logically should be the right one if you want to know the truth, then we surely will be able to help you. BUT if you like to take it the other way around, from non-Islamic sources, and there are a LOT of them out there, then that is your choice.

Why do keep assuming that I'm going to non-Muslim sources of information?


Everything I've said on this topic has come directly FROM Muslims.

Would you learn about the fundamentals of Christianity through Islamic and Jewish sources in first hand?

And I *HAVE* gotten this info from Muslims.