U r more than welcome ronni
Quote:Ahhh.... Then you are speaking of the Catholics and/or Orthodox Christians. I'm not sure about the money part of it; haven't heard that one.
Well, I am Protestant, so we don't have a concept of priests. Biblically speaking, all believers are part of a "royal priesthood".
Oh okay then, u yourself don't pay or confess to priests?
Quote:I agree. For that same reason, I don't accept belief in more than 1 God.
Quote:I agree. That's one of the biggest problems (among many others) that I have with Catholic belief.
Quote:I can say "Amen" to that.
Okay great then with all these I agree we are standing on something solid here ronni , we both agree that there is one God Allah, see in the Holy Quran it says:
In the Name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful:
1. Say (O Muhammad ()): "He is Allâh, (the) One.
2. "Allâh-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).
3. "He begets not, nor was He begotten;
4. "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him. 112, Surat Al-Ikhlas
God is One = Allah is one only he is worthy of worship. So did Prophet Muhammad ask us to worship him? never he said as Allah described in The Holy Quran:
In the Name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful:
1. Yâ-Sîn.
[These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur'ân, and none but Allâh (Alone) knows their meanings.]
2. By the Qur'ân, full of wisdom (i.e. full of laws, evidences, and proofs),
3. <b>Truly, you (O Muhammad ) are one of the Messengers,</b>
4. On a Straight Path (i.e. on Allâh's religion of Islâmic Monotheism).
5. (This is) a Revelation sent down by the AllMighty, the Most Merciful,
6. In order that you may warn a people whose forefathers were not warned, so they are heedless. 36, Surat Yasin
24. Say: "It is He Who has created you from the earth, and to Him shall you be gathered (in the Hereafter)."
25. They say: "When will this promise (i.e. the Day of Resurrection) come to pass? if you are telling the truth."
26. Say (O Muhammad ): "The knowledge (of its exact time) is with Allâh only, <b>and I am only a plain warner."</b>
There are other verses describing him as messenger only to worship one God and obeying Him. So Prophet Muhammad did not give any credit to himself, if u read the Quran properly. So if u will tie your belt and continue your journey with us me and my brothers and sister will explain to u all your questions, we do not want to be defying u asked a question Y convert? we will try clear your confusion, if u r not convinced that is okay it is up to u then .
summurizing, God is ONE. Allah is ONE we both agree
our father Abraham, Moses(PBUH) Jesus(PBUH) Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) called to worship one GOD.
In the Name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful:
59. Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allâh is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.
60. (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.
61. Then whoever disputes with you concerning him ['Iesa (Jesus)] after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus)] being a slave of Allâh, and having no share in Divinity) say: (O Muhammad ) "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves - then we pray and invoke (sincerely) the Curse of Allâh upon those who lie."
62. Verily! This is the true narrative [about the story of 'Iesa (Jesus)], and, Lâ ilâha ill-Allâh (none has the right to be worshipped but Allâh, the One and the Only True God, Who has neither a wife nor a son). And indeed, Allâh is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.
63. And if they turn away (and do not accept these true proofs and evidences), then surely, Allâh is All-Aware of those who do mischief.
64. Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allâh, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."
So did prophet Muhammad(PBUH) say worship me or did he ever ask for worldly gains, never did he say that in any of his speech(Ahadeeth), and Th Quran he read to us as revealed by Allah.
Quote:See, that's what I don't fully understand myself. I don't know if I can say that at some point there was one fully written and compiled Quran and then changes were made to it afterward. I just know that there were some differences in ancient manuscripts.
I have seen the scholars of Islam say that the Quran was actually "revealed" in all these different ways through Muhammad himself. Now, THAT part.... I don't understand.
These different ways ronni is not changing words of the Quran, it is the way it is read, the arabs at that time had different accents, just like we now have different accents, weather in the modern arabic or english, there were different eloquent arabic accents, so it has nothing to do with different languages or manuscript, difference of manuscript is according to hand writing also, there are many different hand writings, each islamic community, would write arabic letters in a different way, so here where comes Ulom Al-Quran ronni. it teaches the different sciences of Quran:
1-Tafseer= Understanding the meaning of Quran, for even arabs sometimes did not understand the verse when it was revealed, so the Prophet(PBUH) would explain it to them, that then brings the second science.
2- Olum- Al-hadeeth, which is the translation of the Quran verses, that are not understood.
3- Ilm Al-Tajweed= this one now ronni is what u r confused about and what the scholars are talking about, this is how to read the Quran in a perfect way as it was revealed to prophet Muhammad(PBUH) by Allah, and since the arabs had different accents, the reciting of the Quran will differ according to their accent which will not detoriorate the meaning or change any one single word in the arabic text.
<b>Tajweed</b> is defined as: Articulating every letter from its articulation point and giving the letter its rights and dues of characteristics.
The fruit of this science is :It is preserving the tongue from mistakes in pronunciation of the Glorious Qur’an during reading.
There were many teachers of this tajweed, or teaching the Quran reciting from the sahabas of the prophet, each according to his accent. So they were allowed to recite it with seven tongues, which means seven accents. But no different text. so is it clear to u now or I got u in more confusion I hope not
well this post is a bit long, I hope u do not get bored reading it . May Allah enlighten your heart ronni Ameeeeeeeen
Peace