Why Convert?

[Anyabwile]

Hello ronniv93, thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. I am in no way suggesting they were challenging to you at all. I'm a new Muslim and fairly new to Biblical issues etc as well, so i have no doubt you have enocuntered my questions many times, but even now still you haven't answered the root of my question. And that is Christianity is a mess and who do you follow. But let's start now...

Example: Someone can make the claim that Islam is a religion of violence as proven by the HISTORICAL FACTS that Muslims have been at war with other nations and peoples since it began. The prophet of Islam himself was engaged in more than 60 battles during his 23-year prophetic career alone.

Disagree, there could be no Historical <b>fact</b> that Islam is a religion of violence. You're attributing this apparent possibility to the situations they were in at the time. For example by your loose and desperate reasoning, it's historical fact that ALL MEN are violent, if you look at history, Men have been fighting throughout their entire lives on earth. So by your somewhat infant like approach of slotting two and two together, then it's historical fact that ALL MEN are violent. But we of course know it's not historical fact that ALL men are violent. I would say it's Historical fact that <b>Men in certain situations of a certain personality type or who are perhaps charged up aggresive soldiers are violent. </b> Now that is historical fact, but not historical fact that All men are violent. So...it's historical FACT that Islam as a religion has been in a lot of wars i take your word for the number of battles being 60 from the prophet, i'm too tired to look that up right now but yes Islam as a religion has been involved in a lot of wars ok...that's historical fact, BUT, there's no historical facts that say the actual religion is a religion of violence. The only way you'd come to that conclusion is if the central focus of Islam was Violence and hate. And this was written in stone that this was the main focus of Islam, it would have to be written on a stone or scriptures in the past a long time ago and actually say "Islam is a religion of violence or hate others and kill them". And then that stone that this was written on, still exists now, then that's Historical fact that Islam is a religion of violence as you have something more solid to base your "historical fact" on other then wars. So nope to that one i'm afraid.

You proved this to yourself? I’d be interested in knowing how.

Aren't you a sarcastic character...ah well it's all good. Well if you really want me to go into matter, sub atomic particles and Quarks then let me know. Judging by your loose and rapidly crumbling responses you wouldn't have a clue what i was going on about but as you say i don't know you. You may be a scientist, and if you are good, you can teach me some stuff as i'm just getting into this. It involves the five senses and the basis of matter, also the big bang theory and static universe models. And personally to myself i've proved God exists, but of course show athiest this and they will be in denial, no one showed me this proof before that's why i was blind. Look at my Sig, science proves that God exists. However judging by your sarcasm in asking i'll leave it here. Why the question anyway, are you unsure that God exists? Not very solid faith to me...

Most denominations differ mainly in worship styles, beliefs about how the gifts of the Holy Spirit are used, or some other issue that does not affect a person’s salvation. Now, some groups may have some particular teachings that are heretical – that is it breaks from good, sound doctrine. Some of these can be minor; some severe.

Whoops, from your standpoint in this debate you really shouldnt have written the above, because you're actually confirming for me as a Christian that Christianity as it exists today is a loose mess of beliefs and stories. From your own mouth you've lost your argument. But it's facts so...i guess you can't really go elsewhere as that's denial, and i've taught you a little on that haven't i, very good oyu;re learning. I'm sure the people who break from good sound doctrine would be on these very same forums telling me, you are the one who is incorrect, or breaking from "good sound doctirne"

So, what exactly is the point of me going through every single name on this list? Is that helping you at all? Because it sure isn’t helping me and it’s certainly not a good use of my time.

It's nasty really, i shouldn't laugh but i almost feel a little bad for you. I'm not meaning to tear your belief down in such a convincing and defined manner. I'm just responding, i'm learning here too you know...somewhere. So you think it's not good use of your time to respond to an important question regarding your FAITH. Any debate on God to me is good use of my time. But what you're saying is you don't want to respond to the strongest question i've put to you regarding your faith and belief. Because you can see that 95 different sects/ denominations of christianity leave it in a tattered mess. This is why you wish to not answer this most crucual question.


I'd say at this point you should really start testing your faith in your own time. Because you've hit a dead end here. My questions are so simple and boring yet...you can't answer them. And i'm a baby to all of this...wow. You should be doing much better than this against me.


So thats 14 on the list you don't know actually know about, therefore you cannot comment as to whether they are right or not, the rest you want to ignore because the sheer amount....leaves..your....argument....on............shaky ...ground. Like i said. Tell me how it doesn't, how can you be on solid ground in an argument if you don't actually know the subjects or denominations you're debating about. That leaves one on....Shaky ground. Sigh...you're not even trying here.


So let's sum your response to my 95 different sects / denominations of christianity up... You don't know. I didn't know the answer to the Jesus pork thing but you've answered that for me, Jesus never said that you say ok i'll take your word for it as i'm still learning bible now. There's nothing bad about being wrong / losing a portion of debate, i've done it many times. Oooooooooooo - Kay, what's next...

If you HAD truly studied, as you claim you have, then you would realize some of these things already.

How rude you are...tut tut tut not a good expierience with my first "peaceful" Christian in an online debate, i thought i as a Muslim was supposed to be the militant and rude one judging by Historical fact right? Errrr i thought i said that i HAVENT studied the bible fully. Didn't i say that? Go back and re read, then apoligise for your mistake as i did. As i said this...

i'm no Christian expert

and i also said this...

I'm not claiming to be an expert on Christianity like i said,

So these two quotes from myself show you i havent "truly" studied Christianity and no where have i claimed to have truly studied Christianity. Which means you didn't actually read my posts fully, and decided to make up things to make me look bad. Why would you do that, that's not very nice. You don't even know me...i'm hurt. Or maybe you assumed i studied because i've crushed everything you've bought to me so far. In which case, thank you for the compliment.

There is nothing OLDER than the Gospel accounts and they say nothing of another Book coming along. In fact, the Gospels aren’t about a BOOK, but the MESSAGE ABOUT Jesus Christ.

Forgive me, because if Christianity is confusing to someone who's a Christian you for example (see different sects argument). Then it's certainly going to be for someone who hasn't studied it fully 100% To be honest books, stories, accounts, messages, changes, versions ahhhh please. Give me the word of God, not the tampered stories from man. Take your blindfold off ronnie are you really comfortable with this? I mean obviously not, as Muslimah said, you came here in the first place but to the logical thinker, the mess of Christianity is ridiculous. I don't even understand how you can not see this. You should at least say "yes it's a total groundless base of stories, messages and passed on second account stories, but i BELIVE OH LAAAD I BELIVE" I'd accept that easier but intead you're trying to say it's not one massive confusion and it's the solid word of God you are saying that right?... so it's the word of God what is? Good grief RONNIE RONNIE COME ON.

Let me say this one last time for you. Your “little” challenges are nothing to me. They are actually the simplest questions to answer.

Except you haven't answered any of them...lol i'm still waiting for the answer to about 80 of them. They're so simple you can't answer them. I'm not meaning to be this harsh but you bring it on yourself. Honestly.

How can you say that Allah would wish you to do this? Doesn’t the Quran say that Allah does not love the transgressor? Aren’t I committing the most heinous sin, according to Islam, by being a Christian? If Allah does not love me (according to your book), how can you say that he would wish for YOU to love m?

Allah would wish for me to Love you, the only way i can do this, is try to show you Islam, convince you of it's beauty and then love you as a Muslim. I love you because i belive deep down you are Muslim, just people like me who can't word debates as well and as inviting as Muslimah, Umm and the rest of them put you off i'd imagine. In fact ignore me from now on and listen to them...as there's obviously a reason you come here. Unless you decide to continue the debate between us i will say no more and let them speak with you, as i think i'm messing things up here a bit.


Love Anya