Why Convert?

[Anyabwile]

You know, a person could come here and make all kinds of claims and ugly statements about Islam, the Quran, your prophet, etc. and base it all on “historical facts”.  Of course, no Muslim would agree with them, NOT because they disputed the HISTORICAL FACTS, but because they INTERPRET and UNDERSTAND history in a different light than a non-Muslim.  But I haven’t come here denigrating and insulting you, your religion, your book, or your prophet.  Why are attacking me and my faith so much, without even knowing anything about me?

Woo big horrible Anya, simply because i ask difficult questions you do not like. If someone asks questions you don't like that doesn't mean they're trying to Insult you or your prophet. I love Jesus (Peace and all blessings from Allah be upon him) and his message just as you do, i just prefer the version of his message that isn't tampered with by man over thousands and thousands of years.

You know, a person could come here and make all kinds of claims and ugly statements about Islam, the Quran, your prophet, etc. and base it all on “historical facts”.  Of course, no Muslim would agree with them, NOT because they disputed the HISTORICAL FACTS, but because they INTERPRET and UNDERSTAND history in a different light than a non-Muslim.

Errrrr wrong. How can you INTERPRET FACTS differently? If you came to me with HISTORICAL FACTS showing me the Quran was corrupted over time, and had many different versions written which Muslims of today didn't know about. I would gladly look into this, because i'd want to test my faith and be sure. If i simply ignored history then that would be denial. History has shown me so far that that's not the case. When you told me about changes in Quran i didnt reply saying NO NO NO. I acknowledged there might be, which is the odd dot in the arabic writing apparently, but not hundreds of different versions of 100's of different stories anyway. Even if there was proof of some dots being different words translated different in some versions (which i havent seen yet) the odd missing dot would not concern me or English to Arabic mistake in translation would not concern me.


However if there was a documented history of different books, versions sects, changings of original books, proof of parties sitting and changing what they do and do not like in the words, and a king changing it as he wishes for his own reasons...and then ending up with 95 different versions of Islam who all thought they were right. And not even following ONE BOOK...which would be easier, but following something changed and something that has many various versions. I wouldn't have become Muslim today. I go to Islam because it's the pure word...simple. One dot added, one English Translation wrong or not. It's not even comparable to the mess of modern Christianity man has made.


Reading Quran in English the translation is lost anyway and all English Qurans acknowledge this, thus they suggest reading the Arabic version. Thats why i'm learning Arabic now, so i can only come back to you on this once i have learnt Arabic or at least know a bit more so i can research it MYSELF...but no denial see? Ok....what else...

“If Islam is true and Christianity is false, are you willing to convert?”  I said “YES!”  Because I seek TRUTH; not to hold onto something that’s familiar to me.  I even made up my mind that if I was to convert, I’d go “all the way,” wearing hijab, the whole thing.

I apoligise for two things here, firstly sorry i don't remember reading that above question. Or i don't remember reading your answer as yes. That's a gross error on my part. I'm sorry again...and i apoligise here too...for assuming you was bought up in a western Christian envioronment, that was an assumption i should have checked first. Sorry again. All i'm saying is i know if i had been bought up Muslim all my life it would be very very hard to accept i was slightly wrong...the same message but slightly wrong about it. That's not patronising, it's the truth, it's how people are, conditioning etc. I came to Islam fresh from nothing...i was athiest, i looked at all religions in the past but was pulled toward Islam, because the message is clear. How a logic thinking athiest could go to Christianity without being totally confused by it i don't actually know. Thus i went to Islam after proving to myself God exists. But it's not insulting to suggest people find it hard to change something that's been with them since birth. I assumed that was the case with you, but i was wrong. May Allah forgive my mistake and forgive me for upsetting you. Never my intention, i know my writing style is like this though. Sorry again.

If you just really want an answer, I honestly can’t give you one.  You’ve thrown out 2 very different numbers (20 denominations vs. 75) but no specifics on which denominations you’re talking about.  How am I supposed to give a specific answer to a vague question?

This here is a shame, you know directly that there are many denominations but you still for the second time refuse to anser the question because it leaves you on shaky ground. Why refuse to answer something you CLEARLY know leaves your religion looking shaky. Isn't that a kind of Denial. You know there are many denominations but you want me to actually list them first before you are willing to co-operate. Plus i did say to you 75 was a number i was recently given by a Muslim so i couldn't confirm that. However i will ask again then, for example, out of these specific different followers of Christ, who is right. This was taken from a western website by the way, no affiliation with lslam at all. I admit i havent researched it fully myself but just a peek below would throw someone off, where do you go to learn of Christ and if you could answer my question now please, the one i ask for a third time, who is right?:


Denominations & Sects


Below is an alphabetical list of "official" denominations and sects of Christianity. Some are larger, some are smaller, and some don't really exist any more - but all have played a role in defining the course of Christian traditions.


Amish


Anabaptism


Assemblies of God


Baptists


Calvinism


Christadelphians


Christian Identity


Church Universal and Triumphant


Church of Christ


Church of England


Congregationalism


Coptic Christianity


Eastern Orthodox


Episcopal Church


Ethiopian Christianity


IURD


Jehovah's Witnesses


Lutheran Church


Maronites


Mennonites


Methodism


Old Catholic Movement


Pentecostal Church


People's Temple


Pilgrims


Presbyterian Church


Protestant


Puritanism


Quakers


Roman Catholicism


Shakers


Spiritual Baptists


Thomas Christians


Unification Church


Unitarianism


United Church of Christ


Unitarian Universalist


Church Groups & Movements


Below is a list of "official" movements and groups which can be found in various Christian churches and traditions. They do not qualify as independent churches or sects - instead, <b>they have helped define those churches and sects. </b>


Acoemetae


Adelophagi


Adventist Movement


amillennialism


Arminian Theology


Augustinians


Benedictines


Cahenslyism


Capuchins


Carmelites


dispensationalism


Dominicans


Evangelicalism


Franciscans


fundamentalism


Gnosticism


Huguenots


Hutterites


Liberation Theology


Mainline Protestant


Mendicant Orders


Neo-Orthodoxy


Pietism


postmillennialism


Primitivism


Quietism


Sabbatarianism


staret


premillennialism


Scholasticism


Thomism


Transcendentalism


Trinitarianism


Universalism





Heretical Movements


Below is a list of movements and ideologies which have been declared "heretical" in Christian tradition. These groups either <b>challenged orthodox beliefs or their existence caused more official groups to define what those orthodox beliefs should actually be</b>. <b>Sometimes, heretical groups play a larger role in defining orthodoxy than orthodox groups do. </b>


Adamites


adoptionism


Albigenses


antinomianism


Apollinarianism


Arianism


Cathars


Docetism


Donatism


Ebionites


Jansenism


Lapsed Christians


Lollards


Manicheism


monophysite


Montanism


Nestorianism


Pelagianism


Waldenses





Non-Church Movements


Below is a list of groups and movements which are not actual sects or denominations and which are <b>not officially a part of any church, but nevertheless have associated themselves with Christianity in one way or another [thus bringing an independant message]</b>.


Freemasonry


Rosicrucianism


Salvation Army


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So it seems the number is MORE than i originally though. It's almost 95 not 25 or 75. Thank you for making me do my own little breif research on this. And these are NOT people following the same book but picking bits out of it, there are all people actually following a changed book or books over time. Changed many many time by man, the original message of Jesus (Peace and Gods blessings be upon him) is hidden somewhere between this mess way back in time...that's really ugly to me.


So now where do i go as someone who wishes to follow the word of God. And i'm sure we all agree Jesus and the other prophets did bring the word of God. But where do i go? I choose from between 95 or so different sects, movements and groups who each have their own way of thinking. How much this way of thinking differs is irrelevant, they each have a slightly different way to the next person, or they wouldnt be titled different. And again, this different way is based on corrupted texts and books by man throughout time from the prophet Jesus's (Peace be upon him) first message. Do you sift through all these and choose one (for which you could be wrong)...or....do you follow the book of God that has cleaned up this mess man has made in his arrogance. Which acknowledges the past prophets and is even predicted in some of the original oldest books of Christianity? How could Gods word exist in the state it has gotten to in Chrisitanity, there would need to be a seal to all of this. See where i'm going here.

Is it your right to be so  critical and judgmental? I can see if you actually KNEW something about me, but you don’t.  BTW, just FYI. . . . I am a female, not a male.  See?  You didn’t even know that much.

That put a smile on my face...that was corny. No need to mention that at all. I don't care if you're a man or a woman. I'm not here looking for love, i'm just here to speak with Humans. Plus you're not my type! Serious tho, what sex you are is irrelevant AM i supposed to try and go easy on you because of this?? I know my questions come across hard, which is why you thank Muslimah and Umm for not challenging you so directly i imagine. They can word things much better than me as you can see, so forgive me. But i don't know you as you say, so i simply seek facts. I wouldnt insult you just because you're Christian i know some Muslims disagree with me but i already see you as a cousin and love you. As Allah would wish me to do.


Also could you answer the Jesus/Swine and Jesus Praying questions i posed to you please. This is a genuine question i'd liek answered form a christian perspective, no horrible intent. I actually wish to know this...I apoligise for being so cold and hard with my responses but it's how i've always been. I think sceintifically about a lot of things and it makes me sometimes seem cold hearted i guess. I've thought scientifically in this sometimes analytical way before and after i found Islam because as the Noble Quran tells us..."there is no compulsion in religion"


God bless you.