Quote: I mean, there are old copies of the Quran that differ in the number of surahs contained in it or some wordings are little different between one text and another.
Ok so compare those minor changes (you have not shown me proof of as i have you) to these changes...
Quote:In ancient times there was no standardized version of the Old Testament. Different Jewish groups and different regions had their own versions. There were the Septuagint, the Aquila, Theodotion's version and Symmachu's version, all containing different text and different numbers of books. The Old Testament used by modern Christians is based on the Massonetic version which only appeared after the Jamnia Synod at the end of the 1st century AD. The New Testament did not appear in its present form until the year 404 AD, nearly four hundred years after the death of Jesus. Before that time, the Gospels of Thomas, the Gospel of Nicodemus, the Acts of Peter, the Acts of Paul and a dozen other books were included in the Bible. In 404 AD these books were simply cut out of the Bible because they contained teachings that were contrary to Christian theology of that time. One of the oldest existing Bibles, The Codex Sinaiticus, includes the Epistle of Barnabas, a book that is not included in the modern Bible. If these books were considered to be revelation by early Christians why don't modern Christians consider them to be revelation? When we look at the Bibles used by modern Christians we find that there are several different versions. The Bible used by the Ethiopian Church, one of the most ancient of all churches, contains the Books of Enoch and the Shepherd of Hernias which are not found in the versions used by Catholics and Protestants. The Bible used in the Catholic Church contains the books of Judith, Tobias, Banuch, etc which have been cut out of the Bible used in Protestant churches. Prof H.L. Drummingwright of the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in his introduction to the Bible explains how these books came to be cut out of the Bible used by the Protestants. These books were, he says, "in most Protestant Bibles until the 19th century, when publishers, led by the British and Foreign Bible Society voluntarily began to omit them". Once again, these books contained ideas which the churches did not like so they just cut them out. How can a book like Judith be the infallible word. of God one moment and not the next? Why are there so many different versions of the Bible? And which version is the infallible word of God?"
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Quote:See, for me, I don't believe I'm falling the whims and corruptions of mere men. I've heard and read all the so-called proof that the Bible's been intentionally tampered with and altered. But, frankly, I don't see REAL proof. There's lots of speculation and truth-twisting and sometimes, outright distortions and lies. So, when it comes to trying to prove the Bible false, <b>I don't really even pay attention to that anymore</b>.
I highlighted what you said in dark letters because it's very important. What i highlighted is denial. I understand why most christians will never become Muslim, when you're bought up or follow something strongly especially over time it's impossible to change. Thats why instead of just saying come with us...Muslims will show you facts. Then if you don't want to accept facts, historical facts, then that's denail. And denial has no base, no standing and no foundation of logic and therefore denial is getting close to madman territory. Once again what i highlighted is really important...the actual denial
Riiight so the above is proof, historical records, tracing back the roots of christianity. You have to belive historical records, and research like the above article, or else if you think historical records are not valid enough to constitute "REAL" proof then what is the bible if not records from history. That means if you don't accept one set of historical records, why accept the next. What i'm saying is besides actually being there, the only proof there can ever be is in historical records like the article above which rips Christianity as man has defined it, to shreds.
You also avoided my question asking...
Quote:And it seems no one knows who's version is right. Gods word would be complete...one guide solid for man to follow not the mess you see today. It is man who has changed it, thus you have the many about 20 i think, different denominations. Someone even said to me the number is higher around 75, but i don't know that myself. I'm not really interested in modern Chritianity, just Jesus (PBUH). but Who is right?
I'm not sure why you avoided this but i'll ask again who is right? Also could you clear this other little one up for me...
Quote:Jesus said not to eat swine am i right? But pork is munched daily by christians in the west, not even thought about.
I've looked outside of this article and traced the history back and it coincides with the article. I would feel very uncomfortable as a christian in thinking "my way is right" when there are 70 or so other versions of the book / books / stories, who's readers and followers think that THEIR way is right. Poor a very poor shabby embaressing scattered mess. It's almost as if man would need one complete manual form God, surely God would see what's happened with his message and choose someone to clear it up. Clear thinking christians eventually embrace Islam, one look back at history from outside the bias of being a christian will show you the mess Christianity has became over time.
Your overall response was most dissapointing, you have shown me as a new Muslim nothing at all, except this. You have no explination because there isn't one, it's historical fact that the resulting corruption of the original words of the prophet Jesus (PBUH) has made a mess of his original pure message. Man has done this. No wonder you had nothing to counter the article i placed, because it's solid. You can say "been there done that" and hold your hands over your ears crying "i don't want to hear it, i dont want to hear it" as much as you like. But deep down, inside you'll know what the truth is that it's waaaaay to tampered with and has so many different books and versions and sects and etc. How is it the pure word of God, which one of you is God happy with? None...that is why the prophet Mohammed (PBUH) breathed and lived, to give man the final word. Which is why to this day...there has been ONE Quran to follow, one solid word from God, one message for humanity. And still, even those more knowledgeable i imagine than me in these matters, walk the wrong path.
When our time comes...i'm going to feel very confident in knowing i read Gods ONE word (the Quran) and followed it. How confident are you going to be? What if you chose the wrong book to follow...like King James tampering for example. What a risky risky chance to take, especially when the final word of our lord as cousins (Christians and Muslims) has been given for us and we KNOW it's been given for us, it's just taking the step and embracing. It's just near impossible to let go i know. I felt the same about being Agnostic/Athiest for 25 years. Then after i felt the pull to God, i studied science hard and it bought me to Islam. This is from a fresh U.K. everyday normal man, no religion belief at all, to a Muslim. Proud and sooo happy and settled, i can enjoy this stop called "life" so much more now. It's like seeing the world new.
Just look at facts...not what's been buried in your head, look at solid facts. I wont even point where to look as that's me influencing you. Look at the facts about christianity and then if you're interested, look into science...see where you end up.
I personally feel i'd be calling you brother sooner than you'd think. Just go for the facts, historical look them up from all sources as many as you can find, see if Christianity as man has defined and changed it, doesnt look more than a little confused with itself.