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i'm not knowledgable about Islam and i haven't read the Bible yet cover to cover [b:3e5be149e6]but[/b:3e5be149e6] i'll just answer some of your questions basing from my belief. if i'm wrong doesn't mean Christianity is wrong, ok? i just don't know any better. ^^

You mean that Jesus was sent to rescue mankind from their sins, fine, does that apply on the people who lived during that era, does the effect extend until now? If it does extend, what happens when people kill, fornicate, steal or whatever? And here I mean just Christians of course. Will they still be forgiven due to the crucifixion of Jesus? [/quote:3e5be149e6]not because a person is Christian doesn't mean he/she's save. most people around me are Christian(or catholic) by infant baptism, but most of them never bothered to study their religion or even had a second thought on whether God exists or not.

real christians are those who have accepted Jesus' gift of salvation and rest assured, those who are saved wouldn't do the things you mentioned above. if they did, their consciense will be bugging them, buy they're forgiven nonetheless. that's how merciful God is.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="260" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> So having a child will make this God have a part of the human characteristic including paternal emotions and others. This certainly demeans the Divine image I think. [/quote:3e5be149e6]i don't quite understand what you mean, but i'll state my point.

Jesus, with the Holy Ghost coexisted with the Father from the beginning. they are 3, but still one. God didn't do the usual process of childmaking, because He doesn't need to. His Son was there with Him all along.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="260" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why did he have to go through full human kind birth? I mean why he started as an embryo, regardless of course of the duration of pregnancy of Mariam, and then came to the world through normal birth. Don’t you agree with me that God could have just sent him as a grown up man? I think this would have been more adequate as a son of God. It would have been also more effective for people.[/quote:3e5be149e6]the Son humbled Himself to become Man(but still God. nothing's impossible with the Godhead :wink:). on His life on earth, He lived like we did. He work with human hands, loved with human heart and was even tempted the way we do today. since He's every part human(but still God), then it's natural for Him to be born like a Man too.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="260" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Another significant point as well is that Christians (as Jews do not believe in either Mohamed SAW or Issa peace be upon him) do not believe in Prophet Mohamed (prayer and peace be upon him). Under their belief I understand their situation. Since if God sacrificed His own son (while may Allah forgive me He is not obliged of course to sacrifice anything to have His own servants believe in Him) so it is only useless to send any more messengers. [/quote:3e5be149e6]messengers?

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="260" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Do you think that the Lord would love His servants more than the son? [/quote:3e5be149e6]i don't think just because the Father sacrificed His begotten Son doesn't mean He loves the servants more than the Son. i don't see it that way so naturally, i can't answer your question.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="260" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Will he accept to be defeated by his servants when they killed his own son? [/quote:3e5be149e6]yeah. that's how great and humble God is. He created us yet He begs to His own creation to accept Him. sad isn't it? (imho, i don't think He's defeated)

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="260" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How come he was incapable of defending and rescuing his son? [/quote:3e5be149e6][b:3e5be149e6]He[/b:3e5be149e6] was capable. but Jesus' suffering and death(and resurrection) is part of the plan of Salvation. if Jesus didn't suffer and die, then our penalty wasn't paid. we'd still face eternal death when we die.

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angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

Read the contents of the above-mentioned link carefully, I'm sure you did before.

Now the Catholic sect believes in Jesus as the son of God while the Orthodox and Protestant churches perceive him as God himself.

Ok in both cases how come his genealogy is traced through human beings all the way. Only until the end when they explain that Virgin Mary was pregnant with him through holy spirit. So if this was the case why do they ascribe him to Abraham at the beginning until after fourteen and fourteen more generations to Joseph? The husband of Virgin Mary. They still call her virgin Mary, although according to the same page, they say she did not come to union with Joseph after marriage until she gave birth, which means that she did afterwards. [/quote:3e5be149e6]

i don't believe in the Virgin Mary.(though I believe in Mary) i believe she gave a Virgin birth, but she had James after that and some other female daughters. so she didn't remain virgin.

regarding the lineage, it's natural to link Jesus to His forefathers because He's after all, human. He's like us in everything(generally speaking). humans have ancestors, so does He. He's called "Son of Man" and "Son of David", He considers John His cousin, James His brother etc.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="260" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We may add that assuming Jesus (prayer and peace be upon him) was either God or son of God, ok when he was put on the cross and until he went out of his grave, who managed the universe?. Who was in charge at that time span? [/quote:3e5be149e6]the Father and the Holy Ghost [i:3e5be149e6]is[/i:3e5be149e6] still there.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="260" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What puzzles me as well is that in all cases the sacrifice went in vain. Assuming that he sacrificed himself or his only son to expiate people's sins and have them believe in him. Yet there remained people who did not, us Muslims and Jews. So a God must have had a better way to show us the road. A stronger way. [/quote:3e5be149e6]if the [b:3e5be149e6]Jews[/b:3e5be149e6] accepted Jesus, then I'll not. one Messianic prophecy is that Jesus would be rejected by His own people. that happened didn't it? but i know by the end of days, many of them will eventually be rescued.

if you say [i:3e5be149e6]stronger[/i:3e5be149e6] way, for me it's strong enough. it's the people's biased and unbelieving heart that keeps them from believing in Him.

i also have no answer for your question because i'm definitely not God. it's like asking someone "why did you kiss your sister's boyfriend?" only the person who did the act is in liberty to answer. no one should answer for her.

there are many christian sites out there, please visit them. it'll be a good start. i see some of you quoting the old testament, so i suppose you believe in them. if that's the case, then you can also see that the Father had been planning to send His Son for us. two Torah believing religions(christianity and judaism) believes that God planned to send a Messiah, i think it's only islam that doesn't hold that view.

i know it's hard to convert to a religion you've grown and defended all your life. i mean, i can't imagine myself being a hindu or such. but if you approach Christianity with an unbiased mind and heart(unlike the atheists), you'll see how much it makes sense.

like what whisper mentioned, you said that Jesus said "Allah Allah lama sabachthani." that's based on the new testament, so i assume you believe in it. Jesus mentioned too that "The Father and I are one." so it's easy for you to believe it too.

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