09-23-2004, 02:53 PM
Never assume lifutushi.
Quote:i'm tired of this... the same thing over and over again....
1. killing children is not part of defending a land. by the way, palestinians is the right owner of the land occupied by Israel (read history book). the same goes to Iraqis, they fought on their land, unlike the invaders who killed civilian to fulfill their own greed( it's not their land, to begin with). materialistics? if life really should be preserved, is it worthy to let the whole nation suffer? sacrificing own's life is self optional. okay, you do not come from a country that only managed to get freedom from colonials several decades ago, so you might not understand. for a short note, for us, to love life so much (like you do) is the actual materialism.
I was against the invasion of Iraq. Read the history books long ago. Third, I agree with the people of Palestine and don't agree with a lot of what the Jews are doing.
2. a simple example, Ben Laden is among those who tried to go against Saddam. but unfortunately, US backed Saddam firmly (again, read history). you see, in Iraq's case, the civilian always the victims. the story goes like this: US supported and armed Saddam to invade Iran --> Iraqis suffer<-- Saddam turned his back to US by invading Kuwait --> US attacked Iraq --> Iraqis suffer <-- Saddam lost the war-->US pressed Iraq's economy very hard (oil for food exchange) --> Iraqis suffer <-- US invaded Iraq -->Iraqis suffer<-- US got Saddam, but they refused to depart from Iraq, killing more civilians day to day -->Iraqis suffer<--
now, who should be blamed? you blame Muslim world for not cleaning the poison that you created?
I know my history and like you can select a few pieces of history for you. You'll just ignore them, but hey, there's 3 sides to every story right? Yours, mine, and the truth.
I am impressed though at how you leave out the reason Iraq was supported by the US to invade Iran. I also like how you fail to mention that since Iran was such a moral country and Iraq led by a "bad Muslim" none of your "brother" nations of Islam joined in with Iran to help beat the bad Muslim and his US supporter.
3. are we talking about Islam or Taliban here? i don't recall anybody in this forum ever said that Taliban represents Islam. okay, another story:
US support and armed Taliban to fight the soviet --> Afghans suffer <-- Taliban turned their back towards US --> US use political opression against Afghanistan --> Afghans suffer <-- US attacked Afghanistan -->Afghans suffer<--
again, innocent civilians were killed by the product of US.
Always the US's fault for your Muslim suffering. It's never the Taliban's fault, Saddams fault, or any other Muslims fault and that is just my point. I'm not saying the US is without fault in policy or actions, but they're not always wrong and its not always completely their fault!!!! Your more holy than thou attitude is to be admired. Its never the fault of the people who fly planes into buildings, take school children hostage, or blow up a bus. Sure you say it's not right that these things happen becasue they are a reaction to what the US is doing. Well maybe the US is reacting to what is happening to them!!!
4. then what's your problem?
Actually I didn't write that and I didn't respond to it so you'd have to ask the person who wrote it.
5. then they will face their destiny in hereafter.
6. yeah, have a pity on those zionists. poor them... (not funny!!!) they killed our brothers!! they raped our sisters!! then we should have pity on them? that's the most ridiculous and stupid suggestion i've ever heard.
Do you have any idea of what mocking someone means? I agree with you on this. I was disagreeing with your fellow Muslim brother it just went over your head that I was disagreeing with him by mocking him. I'll try to keep it more simplistic.
7. yeah, so much freedom.... now, about about a better freedom? since you hate Islam that much, why don't we give you some chances to refute Al-Qur'an, the main sources of Islam (which your fellow Islam haters here had failed to do) IF YOU ARE TRUE?
remember, we're talking about Islam, not Saddam and not Taliban.
If you want to force your beliefs on others by killing them then don't complain when others force their views on you. Its a two way street and you're going to have to accept it.