09-23-2004, 01:07 PM
Quote: 1. defending Muslim land is a religious duty: part of the responsibilities we assume
during our transit stop. So if it was Christian or Jewish duty to protect that same land you'd understand why they kill your children? If it's just a stop why is the land so important? Shouldn't the life you've been given be more important than a peice of land? Sounds like material things being put over top of life.
2. We are commanded not to stand still in face of aggression against Muslims, so standing still is violating our duties. You want to believe this. Quote me the chapter on this please. Where were the rest of the Muslims when Saddam invaded Kuwait, Iran, was killing Kurds. Funny, I don't remember any terrorist acts against Saddam.
3. It does not bother me when non muslims dont realize the fact about the transit stop. We dont go around pushing people to adopt our beliefs, only when they seek knowledge we respond. One word; Taliban. Your buddies seemed intent on making sure they killed anyone who didn't believe.
4. When a Muslim falls short in this point, I certrainly have to grow concerned, also as part of my duty.
5. Most important is that during this transit stop we are bound by a set of rules and regulations made by ALLAH, we must not again must not overlook them. Simply because following the rules ensures our safety. Like for instance that we must abide by immigration rules in any given country or else we are in trouble.
And if someone doesn't follow them Allah won't enforce them you will right?
6. Issue of Palestine is also settled in Quran, what is happening is actually all included in Quran. There will be a major war among Muslims and jews according to Quran to take back what they stole. That is it Peace.
I can respect this answer. You think a major war is coming to settle this. So what's there to worry about? Why ever get angry about the Jews? You know you're going to win! You've said it yourself. You should be having pity on the Jews. You know their fate.
7. Jews living there are settlers brought from evey where on organized trips......and mostly receive military training. peace it is a long issue that would be settled by Allah, as mentioned in Quran. Even them being gathered in one place is a sing for the closeness of this war. See we know all this from our book. Alhamdulelah. We dont force events.
So much for free will.
i'm tired of this... the same thing over and over again....
1. killing children is not part of defending a land. by the way, palestinians is the right owner of the land occupied by Israel (read history book). the same goes to Iraqis, they fought on their land, unlike the invaders who killed civilian to fulfill their own greed( it's not their land, to begin with). materialistics? if life really should be preserved, is it worthy to let the whole nation suffer? sacrificing own's life is self optional. okay, you do not come from a country that only managed to get freedom from colonials several decades ago, so you might not understand. for a short note, for us, to love life so much (like you do) is the actual materialism.
2. a simple example, Ben Laden is among those who tried to go against Saddam. but unfortunately, US backed Saddam firmly (again, read history). you see, in Iraq's case, the civilian always the victims. the story goes like this: US supported and armed Saddam to invade Iran --> Iraqis suffer<-- Saddam turned his back to US by invading Kuwait --> US attacked Iraq --> Iraqis suffer <-- Saddam lost the war-->US pressed Iraq's economy very hard (oil for food exchange) --> Iraqis suffer <-- US invaded Iraq -->Iraqis suffer<-- US got Saddam, but they refused to depart from Iraq, killing more civilians day to day -->Iraqis suffer<--
now, who should be blamed? you blame Muslim world for not cleaning the poison that you created?
3. are we talking about Islam or Taliban here? i don't recall anybody in this forum ever said that Taliban represents Islam. okay, another story:
US support and armed Taliban to fight the soviet --> Afghans suffer <-- Taliban turned their back towards US --> US use political opression against Afghanistan --> Afghans suffer <-- US attacked Afghanistan -->Afghans suffer<--
again, innocent civilians were killed by the product of US.
4. then what's your problem?
5. then they will face their destiny in hereafter.
6. yeah, have a pity on those zionists. poor them... (not funny!!!) they killed our brothers!! they raped our sisters!! then we should have pity on them? that's the most ridiculous and stupid suggestion i've ever heard.
7. yeah, so much freedom.... now, about about a better freedom? since you hate Islam that much, why don't we give you some chances to refute Al-Qur'an, the main sources of Islam (which your fellow Islam haters here had failed to do) IF YOU ARE TRUE?
remember, we're talking about Islam, not Saddam and not Taliban.