The Forty Sacred Hadith

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Peace,

Who are u to say that and what is your proof ? are u a scholar or what

My proof is that, the <i><b>sunna of Muhammad </b></i>does not exist within the Reading.

and then the division of booty, how was it decided, or the quantities, it was all explained by the prophets sayings, and sayings= ahadeeth and ahadeth=sunnah= sunnah is what he utters from his mouth, and each word he utters is by revelation from Allah, and the sahabas wrote this done, and by efforts of many scientists to preserve it reached us, and one of these scholars is Bukhary.

I don't see ANYWHERE, in the Reading, where it says that it was decided/explained by EXTRA/CO-EQUAL/SUPPLENTAL sayings in addition to the Scripture.


Can you please go to the Reading and produce a verse which says to refer to second/third hand narrations/reports, thanks.

And why should Allah mention Bukhary in the Quran, he did not mention the name of any of the sahaba in the QURAN, who are closer to the prophet and who preserved the QurAn and Ahadeeth of the Prophet, except Zayd,and that was for a special subject. So this is a non rational quest from u

If he didn't mention Bukhari and Enterprise in the Reading, then, it proves that, these men are unauthorized, and so is their work.


Bukhari traveled far and wide, wishfully writing down ahadith, YEARS after the prophet's demise, (without taking note of 5-3, <i><b>today I have perfected </b></i>your way for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have accepted surrender as the system for you), by men who WEREN'T even eyewitnesses to him.


The major cause of division within "Islam" is all due to substantiating, glamorizing, upholding and implementing the second/third hand narrations/reports compiled by Bukhari et al.

I am not manipulating, if u know Arabic which I doubt u know, then u will know that the word Hikma means, especially when it is associated with prophets.

Yes, I am learning Fushaa.


The quranic usage for the word hikma = wisdom. The word hikma does NOT mean sunna/ahadith, period. You are conjecturing/extrapolating here.

he is the most patient person ever born on this earth, and he is the best philosopher born.

Muhammad was like any other prophet/messenger.


The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord. And the believers, all who believe in God, and His angles, and His scriptures, and His messengers; <i><b>we do not differentiate between any of His messengers</b></i>; and they said: "We hear and obey, forgive us O Lord, and to you is our destiny." 2-285

Now what Does Sunna means in Arabic language ?
Sunna is :


1) Al-Nahj= a course or following to pursue.


2) Al-tareeg= The way one follows.


3) Al-Seera = conduct, behaviour. Line of conduct and behaviour or way of life.


So now we come to the conclusion that the Sunna, is the NAHJ, the course we should


follow of a beleif. We are Muslims, we beleive in ONE GOD, Allah Subhanahu Wata'ala, and Prophet Mohamad is his Messenger, that utters no falsity, he is wise truthful, just, patient, knowledgable, and most of all his manners was the Quran itself. So this was his Nahj his way, his tareeqa. he had a line of conduct and behaviour which we should follow, and that is the Sunna,

35:43. Istikbaran fee al-ardi wamakra alssayyi-i wala yaheequ almakru alssayyi-o illa bi-ahlihi fahal yanthuroona illa <i><b>sunnata al-awwaleena </b></i>
falan tajida <i><b>lisunnati Allahi </b></i>tabdeelan walan tajida <i><b>lisunnati Allahi </b></i>tahweelan


35:43 On account of their arrogance in the land and their plotting of Evil, but the plotting of Evil will hem in only the authors thereof. Now are they but looking for the <i><b>way the ancients </b></i>
were dealt with? But no change wilt thou find in <i><b>Allah's way </b></i>(of dealing): no turning off wilt thou find in <i><b>Allah's way. </b></i>


According to the Reading, there are ONLY TWO SUNNAS, to wit, sunna of ancients and of The God.


Now, if you wish to accord Muhammad a sunna, then please go to the Reading and produce the verse where God does first.

how we pray, how we wash, how we eat, how we pay zakat, how we rule, what we should do when go to jihad.

LOL! The messenger's job was not to teach us HOW to wash, how to eat. I believe my mommy was responsible for that.


First of all, solaa, from my opinion, does not mean RITUAL prayer. Please point out the verse where The God gives us step by step details on how to do a raka unit in the Reading.


Zakaa is NOT a religious tithe, rather it means purification

I think i said before that in the Quran it was not mentioned how many times we should pray, or the rulings of many marriage matters in sunna not mentioned in Quran.

LOL! Exactly why solaa does not mean ritual prayer. The sunnis/shias/priests admit that, there are no such details of this ''ritual prayer'' in the Reading. This is their own testimony, LOL!


Shall I seek for a judge other than GOD, when HE it is WHO has sent down to you the <i><b>BOOK FULLY DETAILED</b></i>? And those to whom WE gave the Book know that it has been sent down from thy Lord with truth; so be thou not of those who doubt. 6-114


A.L.R., a Scripture whose verses were made firm, then <i><b>DETAILED </b></i>from One who is Wise, Expert. 11-1


A Scripture whose verses are <i><b>DETAILED, </b></i>a Quran in Arabic, for a people who know. 41-3

Now about u refuting the ahadeeth of Bukhary, who are u to refute them, Bukhary was a very relegious and trusted scholar, he once travelled a long way to a man he heard that he has one hadeeth of the prophet(PBUH), but when he saw that that man lied to his animal by falsly aiming that he has food in his hand, he left him and told him if u lie to an animal, how then can I beleive u.

No, according to the Sunni school of thought, Bukhari was a trusted scholar, however, the Shia School of thought do not acknowledge him at all. Not much diff. between the two ahadith of the sects. Shias focus more on hassan, hussein, muhammad, ali and fatima, while sunnis focus more on abu bakr, umar, and uthman. Both sectarians segregate the community even further, groping at each others necks, without being able to substantiate any of their claims via the Reading.


LOL! At least you guys have one thing in common

Book And the wisdom= Al-Kitab Wa Al-Hikma it means in arabic 2 different things Wa means and, he did not say the kitab is the hikma. Wa is adat Jame' in Arabic, which means that it is an adding particle or letter, which means this and that, which means 2 different things. Al- Kitab WA Al-Hikma, e.g The table and chair= Almae'da WA alkursy. 2 different things. So stop saying that we are manpulating words, it is u who is manipulating and not us

No, the verses I adduced already proved that, al hikma is an ATTRIBUTE of quran, like al kitab, al furqan, etc.


Stop trying to manipulate another meaning.

And if u r one of the followers of the submitters  , then I hope u will repent, or leave this forum .
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/P...tters.html


If u r of his followers, then leave in peace or repent. And stop playing with verses of Quran according to your Nafs and hawa.

I am NOT a follower of Rashad and his CULT.

If u r of his followers, then leave in peace or repent. And stop playing with verses of Quran according to your Nafs and hawa.

I follow the creed of Abraham, who was a paragon of logic and monotheism


Say: "God bears truth. Follow the creed of Abraham, monotheism, and he was not of those who set-up partners." 3-95


I am not here to fight, but to have a debate based on logic and reason.


You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and <i><b>argue with them in the best possible manner</b></i>. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones. 16-125


Hopefully, you will not resort to name calling or ad hominem arguments if you cannot refute me, God willing.

So if u disobey any word or order utterred by the Prophet Mohammad, u r a trangresser, and the Sunnah is the Prophets sayings and orders that he does not speak of his own Nafs or Hawa, it is a revelation from Allah Almighty. Allah is always mentioning His Name with the Prophet, to obey Him and the Prophet. So stop trying to refute the Sunna, because u will not succeed.

You have YET to point out the 'SUNNA OF MUHAMMAD', which your argument is based on.


LOL! The very core tenet of your ideology cannot be proven, via your OWN scripture.


Looking forward to your response