07-26-2004, 11:18 PM
SALAAMUN TO ALL
Please forgive the length of this post, but given the nature of the topic, I felt is necessary to be as thorough as possible, insha-Allah.
I like to preface new threads with the following statements, ayats and definitions:
39.3 Now, surely, sincere obedience is due to Allah (alone) and (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, (saying), We do not serve them save that they may make us nearer to Allah, surely Allah will judge between them in that in which they differ; surely Allah does not guide him aright who is a liar, ungrateful.
39.45 And when Allah alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the hereafter shrink, and when those besides Him are mentioned, lo! they are joyful.
39.66 Nay! but serve Allah alone and be of the thankful.
40.12 That is because when Allah alone was called upon, you disbelieved, and when associates were given to Him, you believed; so judgment belongs to Allah, the High, the Great.
Allah's Qur'an is The Book of Knowledge and Authority and there is no such saying in Al-Qur'an as.....La ilaha illa [Allah, Mohammed] ur RasulAllah.
Yes, my Din, according to Allah and His Qur'an is just the first part, there is God but Allah. When one utters the second part, one commits shirk, in that, it makes Muhammad a partner in guidance [via the hadiths of Bukhari and Co.] with Allah. Do you notice the juxtaposition of Allah's name and Muhammad's? This is forbidden to do, hence, shirk, to wit:
19.65 The Lord of the heavens and the earth and what is between them, so serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know any whose name is worthy to be mentioned side by side with His? -Asad Muhammad
2:2 This is The Book; in IT is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.
18:1 (All) praise is due to Allah, Who revealed the Book to His servant and did not make in it any crookedness/discrepancies.
49.6 O you who believe! if a wicked person[fasiq] comes to you with a report, look carefully into it, lest you harm a people in ignorance, then be sorry for what you have done.
25:33. And no question/arguement do they bring to thee but We reveal to you the truth and the best explanation (thereof).
2.185 The month of Ramazan is that in which the Quran was revealed, as guidance to men and clear proofs of the guidance and the criterion; therefore whoever of you is present in the month, he shall fast therein, and whoever is sick or upon a journey, then (he shall fast) a (like) number of other days; Allah desires ease for you, and He does not desire for you difficulty, and (He desires) that you should complete the number and that you should exalt the greatness of Allah for His having guided you and that you may give thanks.
25.31 And thus have We made for every prophet an enemy from among the sinners and sufficient/enough is your Lord as a Guide and a Helper.
29.51 Is it not sufficient/enough for them that We have revealed to you the Book which is recited to them? Most surely there is mercy in this and a reminder for a people who believe.
84:20-21. What then is the matter with them, that they believe not?- And when the Qur'an is read to them, they do not make obeisance?,
4.48 Surely Allah does not forgive that anything should be associated with Him, and forgives what is besides that to whomsoever He pleases; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he devises indeed a great sin.
7:33. Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to Allah, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about Allah of which ye have no knowledge.
21:24. Or have they taken for worship (other) gods besides him? Say, "Bring your convincing proof: this is the Message of those with me and the Message of those before me." But most of them know not the Truth, and so turn away.
17:36. And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
10:32. Such is Allah, your real Cherisher and Sustainer: apart from truth, what (remains) but error? How then are ye turned away?
Main Entry: ASSOCIATE: make a logical or causal connection: tp join as a partner, friend, or companion: to join or conncet together:combine.
Main Entry: AUTHORITY: official permission or approval: the legal power or rights given by a principal and accepted by the agent to act on the principal's behalf in performing specific acts or negotiations.
Main Entry: ERROR: an act or condition or imprudent deviation from a code of behavior: an act involving an unintentional deviation from truth or accuracy: an act through ignorance, deficiency, or accident departs from or fails to achieve what should be done: an illusion about the nature of reality that is the cause of human suffering: the contradiction of truth: an instance of false belief.
Main Entry: a GOD: a person or thing of supreme value: a powerful person or ruler: assuming the word always refers to a non-man is an error, as the Greeks referred to many with authority as Theos [mighty One]. A man od such superior qualiites that he seems like a diety to the other people.
Main Entry: OBSTINATE: perversely or tenaciously adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguements or persuasion.
Main Entry: SUPERSTITION: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance or a false
The position that the so-called sunnah/hadith of The Prophet, , is necessarily supplemental/co-equal to the Qur-an and, is therefore necessary to take shahada, practice Al-Islam and to enter Paradise, is absolutely unfounded and is categorically rejected by Allah, Most High.
As with the bible, there is some wisdom/guidance to be found in the hadiths/sunnah, however, neither of these two sources of wisdom/guidance is free of error, therefore, the hadiths, as with the bible, as bodies of work, are not fully/sufficiently reliable for guidance, hence, the hadiths are not necessary for one to become Muslim, to practice Al-Islam, and to enter Paradise. In addition, whatever truth/wisdom/guidance is found in the hadiths, is already detailed in Al-Qur-an anyway, so, what is the point of referring to them for guidance, it would be redundant?
If you say, as many do,.."take from the hadiths what you think is true and reject what you think is untrue", then, certainly, you must agree that the hadiths cannot be a reliable source of guidance, because anyone can accept or reject as they see fit, hence, the hadiths cannot be a source of tauhid, but only a source of ongoing fitna as they are today. Al-Qur-an, cannot be approached on an accept or reject basis, hence, it is a complete and inerrant source of guidance and tauhid. There are no descrepencies in Al-Qur-an, but there are in the hadiths. Reject that which is a source of doubt (hadith) for that which is not a source of doubt (Al-Qur-an).
The hadiths, as with the bible, are full of discrepencies/contradictions, hence, as a body of work, the hadiths are no more reliable for guidance than that hadith called the Bible. To pick and choose which hadith you would deem appropriate, only leaves the door open for sectarianism. The hadiths can only divide us not bring us together. "Leave that which makes you doubt (hadiths) for that which does not make you doubt (Al-Qur-an Karriem)"----ascribed to the Prophet [ my insertions]. The hadith supporters want to talk about the chain of transmission as if it some infallible ssytem for preserving information, which, of course it is not. And how does one go about proving that anyway? How does one prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that, not only that the chain is unbroken, but that what is actually purported to have been said by the narrators hasn't been altered? You don't know for a fact do you? The only thing without doubt and the source of proof regarding our Din is Al-Qur'an...it is the criterion for what is fact and proof and what is not, to wit:
2:185 The month of Ramazan is that in which the Quran was revealed, a guidance to men and clear proofs of the guidance and the criterion; therefore whoever of you is present in the month, he shall fast therein, and whoever is sick or upon a journey, then (he shall fast) a (like) number of other days; Allah desires ease for you, and He does not desire for you difficulty, and (He desires) that you should complete the number and that you should exalt the greatness of Allah for His having guided you and that you may give thanks.
Main Entry: CRITERION: more at certain: a standard on which a judgment or decision may be based.
Main Entry: CERTAIN: known or proved to be true : indisputable, dependable, reliable.
For example, regarding the so-called Last Sermon:
QUOTE
(a) Jabir ibn Abdullah reported during his farewell sermon the Prophet said, " ... and I have left with you one thing; if you hold on to it firmly, you will never stray, i.e. God's Scripture. "You will be asked about me. So what will you say?" They said, "We will vouchsafe that you have truthfully and completely delivered the message and brought the remainder." (Muslim) (Emphasis added)
( Jabir ibn Abdullah reported that the Prophet said in his farewell sermon during his final pilgrimage, "And I have left among you one thing; if you hold on to it firmly, you will never stray – God's Scripture and whatever you have gained from questioning me (hadith) (Muslim) (Emphasis added)
Surely Jabir ibn Abdullah could have narrated only one of the above versions. Version ( with its extra wording is an obvious addition to the original.
The second (or actually the third) record of this same event is attributed to Anas ibn Malik (a companion) who concedes that it is only a weak hadith. It says:
I have left you two things, so long as you hold tightly to them both, you will never stray – Allah's Holy Quran and the Sunnah of His Messenger (Muwatta) (Emphasis added)
It is interesting to note that this hadith is classified as a `weak' hadith by the hadith writers themselves. To further highlight this incongruity, Ibn Ishaq, another early chronicler, reports,
Al-Zuhri informed me from Anas ibn Malik: "While Abu Bakr was receiving allegiance from the followers the day after the Prophet had died, Omar stood up and spoke to the people, `O People! God has left you His Scripture, with which He guided His Messenger.' "
You can see from these examples, just how confusing and contradicting the hadith of Bukhari et al are. The vast majority of Muslims cite this hadith to rationalize using the hadiths, however, it is clear is a problem with which accounts are true!
There are nine volumes to the Bukhari hadiths and four volumes to the Muslim hadiths, not to mention the Sunnan, Dawud, and Tirmidhi hadiths. How many of these hadiths have you read and how many do you know and trust? How many are required to accept as fard?
"39.28": An Arabic Quran without any crookedness, that they may guard (against evil).
"39.29": Allah sets forth an example: There is a slave in whom are (several) partners differing with one another, and there is another slave wholly owned by one man. Are the two alike in condition? (All) praise is due to Allah. Nay! most of them do not know.
"One man", by analogy is Allah, Most High and His Book, Al-Qur-an.
"Several partners", by analogy, are...Bukhari, Muslim, Dawud, Sunnan, Tirmidhi, Hanifi, Shafi, Maliki, Wahhabbi, and or whatever besides Him.
Say, for example, 25 people are thinking about taking their shahadas and they all have Qur-ans, but no hadiths. They all board a plane, but the plane goes down and they find themselves marooned on an island, like in the movie Castaway. They don't know it but, they will be there for next ten years. Now, I ask you, do they have enough information to:
1. to take shahada and become Muslim,
2. to practice righteousness/Al-Islam,
3. to enter Paradise based on that practice?
AL-QUR'AN ON HADITH
33:53 O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses,- until leave is given you,- for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation: but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet: he is ashamed to dismiss you, but Allah is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah's Messenger, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in Allah's sight an enormity.
33:53 Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo la tadkhuloo buyoota alnnabiyyi illa an yu/thana lakum ila taAAamin ghayra nathireena inahu walakin itha duAAeetum faodkhuloo fa-itha taAAimtum faintashiroo wala musta/niseena lihadeethin inna thalikum kana yu/thee alnnabiyya fayastahyee minkum waAllahu la yastahyee mina alhaqqi wa-itha saaltumoohunna mataAAan fais-aloohunna min wara-i hijabin thalikum atharu liquloobikum waquloobihinna wama kana lakum an tu/thoo rasoola Allahi wala an tankihoo azwajahu min baAAdihi abadan inna thalikum kana AAinda Allahi AAatheeman
45: 6. Tilka ayatu Allahi natlooha AAalayka bialhaqqi fabi-ayyi hadeethin baAAda Allahi waayatihi yu/minoona
45: 6. Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after Allah and His Signs?
7:185 . Awalam yanthuroo fee malakooti alssamawati waal-ardi wama khalaqa Allahu min shay-in waan AAasa an yakoona qadi iqtaraba ajaluhum fabi-ayyi hadeethin baAAdahu yu/minoona.
7:185. Do they see nothing in the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and all that Allah hath created? (Do they not see) that it may well be that their terms is nigh drawing to an end? In what message after this will they then believe?
77:50. Fabi-ayyi hadeethin baAAdahu yu/minoona
77:50. Then what Message, after that, will they believe in?
39:23. Allahu nazzala ahsana alhadeethi kitaban mutashabihan mathaniya taqshaAAirru minhu juloodu allatheena yakhshawna rabbahum thumma taleenu julooduhum waquloobuhum ila thikri Allahi thalika huda Allahi yahdee bihi man yashao waman yudlili Allahu fama lahu min hadin
39:23. Allah has revealed (from time to time) the most beautiful Message in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the remembrance of Allah. Such is the guidance of Allah. He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to guide.
31:6. Wamina alnnasi man yashtaree lahwa alhadeethi liyudilla AAan sabeeli Allahi bighayri AAilmin wayattakhithaha huzuwan ola-ika lahum AAathabun muheenun
31:6. But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a humiliating Chastisement.
52:34. Falya/too bihadeethin mithlihi in kanoo sadiqeena
52:34. Let them then produce a saying like unto it,- If (it be) they speak the truth!
No, hadith, other than that of Allah, Most High, Al-Qur-an Karriem, is authorized by Him. What is there to question after this?
The point is that, Allah, Most High, promised to protect the Qur-an from tampering. He made no such promise in regard to other hadiths, hence, they are not protected and are NOT authorized by Allah, Most High as a source of guidance. History and the Qur-aan, have clearly shown the hadiths to have been tampered with, hence, they can only be a source of doutful information. Allah, Most High, has told us to avoid what is doubtful for that which is not doubtful.
Consider the following verses and definitions:
39:45. When Allah, alone, is mentioned, the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter are filled with disgust; but when those beside Him are mentioned, behold, they are filled with joy!
19:65 The Sustainer of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them! Worship, then, Him alone, and remain steadfast in His worship! Dost thou know any whose name is worthy to be mentioned side by side with His?"
14.52: This is a sufficient exposition for the people and that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is One God and that those possessed of understanding may mind.
8.64: O Prophet! Allah is sufficient for you and (for) such of the believers as follow you.
9.129: But if they turn back, say: Allah is sufficient for me, there is no god but He; on Him do I rely, and He is the Lord of mighty power.
25.31: "And thus have We made for every prophet an enemy from among the sinners and sufficient is your Lord as a Guide and a Helper.
17.65: Surely (as for) My servants, you have no authority over them; and your Lord is sufficient as a Protector.
39.36: Is not Allah sufficient for His servant? And they seek to frighten you with those besides Him; and whomsoever Allah makes err, there is no guide for him.
39.38: And should you ask them, Who created the heavens and the earth? They would most certainly say: Allah. Say: Have you then considered that what you call upon besides Allah, would they, if Allah desire to afflict me with harm, be the removers of His harm, or (would they), if Allah desire to show me mercy, be the withholders of His mercy? Say: Allah is sufficient for me; on Him do the reliant rely.
25.58: And rely on the Ever-living Who dies not, and celebrate His praise; and Sufficient is He as being aware of the faults of His servants.
65.3: And give him sustenance from whence he thinks not; and whoever trusts in Allah, He is sufficient for him; surely Allah attains His purpose; Allah indeed has appointed a measure for everything.
It is apparent from these above ayats that, Allah, Most High, has made it clear that He is sufficient alone, has detailed everything, needing no assistance, further clarification, etc.
Main Entry: SUFFICIENT : enough to meet the needs of a situation or a proposed end.
Main Entry: ENOUGH: occurring in such quantity, quality, or scope as to fully meet demands, needs, or expectations.
Do you believe that the hadiths of Bukhari and Co. are without error, mistakes, contradictions or doubt? If yes, then they, as with Al-Qur'an, are perfect/without doubt. If no, then why would Allah have us follow something for guidance which contains mistakes, errors, contradictions and is doubtful? How can something imperfect/doubtful, the hadiths of Bukhari and Co., support/explain something which is perfect/without doubt--Al-Qur'an? Hasn't Allah forbidden us to follow that which is doubtful/conjectural?
53.28 And they have no knowledge of it; they do not follow anything but conjecture, and surely conjecture does not avail against the truth at all.
Main Entry: WITNESS: one who has personal knowledge of something.
Do you have any direct/personal knowledge of what Muhammad said or didn't say or did or didn't do, given that, you were not a witness? No, you follow the hearsay of Bukhari and Co., and they had no direct/personal knowledge of what Muhammad said or didn't say or did or didn't do either. In the following ayat, Allah, informs the Messenger that, he was not a witness to events before him and only knows of that which he did not witness through direct revelation from Allah.
28:44 Thou wast not on the Western side when We decreed the Commission to Moses, nor wast thou a witness (of those events).
So, given that, the Messenger, did not witness things before him and only knows of somethings via wahy/revelation, then how do we justify following the hadiths of Bukahri and Co. when they too did not witness what the Messenger said or did or did not say or do and were not the recipients of revelation?
So, I ask you:
One individual has only Al-Qur'an and another individual has both Al-Qur'an and the hadiths of Bukhari and Co., which of the two is better guided?
ON THE SUNNAH
There is no Sunnah of the Prophet or Sunnah of Muhammad or Sunnah of the Messenger mentioned in Al-Qur'an. The only two sunnahs mentioned are the Sunnah of Allah and the sunnah of the ancients.
15:13 La yuminoona bihi waqad khalat sunnatu alawwaleena
15:13 That they should not believe in the (Message); but the ways of the ancients have passed away.
35:43. Istikbaran fee al-ardi wamakra alssayyi-i wala yaheequ almakru alssayyi-o illa bi-ahlihi fahal yanthuroona illa sunnata al-awwaleena falan tajida lisunnati Allahi tabdeelan walan tajida lisunnati Allahi tahweelan
35:43 On account of their arrogance in the land and their plotting of Evil, but the plotting of Evil will hem in only the authors thereof. Now are they but looking for the way the ancients were dealt with? But no change wilt thou find in Allah.s way (of dealing): no turning off wilt thou find in Allah's way.
33:38 Ma kana AAala alnnabiyyi min harajin feema farada Allahu lahu sunnata Allahi fee allatheena khalaw min qablu wakana amru Allahi qadaran maqdooran
33:38 There can be no difficulty to the Prophet in what Allah has indicated to him as a duty. It was the practice of Allah amongst those of old that have passed away. And the command of Allah is a decree determined.
33:62 Sunnata Allahi fee allatheena khalaw min qablu walan tajida lisunnati Allahi tabdeelan
33:62This is practice of Allâh that has been coming from long before for the affairs of such people, and you people will not find any change in the way of Allâh.
48:23 Sunnata Allahi allatee qad khalat min qablu walan tajida lisunnati Allahi tabdeelan
48:23 This is the Way of Allâh which has been coming from the past, and you will not find any discrepancy in the Way of Allâh.
As you can see, there is no sunnah of the Prophet or Sunnah of Muhammad mentioned in Al-Qur'an. The only sunnah's mentioned are those of Allah and the attitude of the ancients which persists to this day. To subscribe to a sunnah of the Prophet then, when no such ayat gives authority to do so, is to make the Prophet a partner with Allah.
Shirk, then,--is the calling upon/associating others with Allah [see the post to Eternity for the ayats on shirk]. To refer to a sunnah of the Prophet, which, is realized through the bodies of work called the hadiths, i.e. Bukhari et al, is to call on others beside Allah. Now, let me ask you this, is the Messenger here with us today? Well, of course the obvious answer is no, he is with Allah, hence, whereas the people who lived with him while he was alive witnessed what he did, well, at least now and then anyway, however, we today do not have him in our presence. You and the other other supporters of the hadiths claim that, we can know what the Messenger did or didn't or said or didn't say, through them, hence, the hadiths then, are the things/vehicle, by which you claim to know things about the Messenger/the practice Al-Islam, hence, you've now associated the hadith/hadith compilers, as as associates/a source of guidance along with Allah.
Main Entry: TRUTH: the state of being the case : FACT (2) : the body of real things, events, and facts.
Al-Qur'an, as a body of work, is ALL/TOTAL truth, it has no flaws whatsoever.
Main Entry: HALF-TRUTH: a statement that is only partially true : a statement that mingles truth and falsehood with deliberate intent to deceive.
The hadiths of Bukahri and Co., as a body of work, as with the bible, is a mixture of truth and falsehood, hence, it is flawed, hence, it cannot be from be from Allah or supported by him in the least. Allah, doesn't support conjecture and flawed data for our guidance.
The people who lived with the Messenger certainly were witnesses to what he did or didn't or said or didn't say, however, the compilers of the hadiths/so-called witness accounts, were not present with the Messenger or his companion/witnesses. What the hadiths attribute to the Messenger and his conpanions cannot be verified, because no one alive today witnessed their actions. In adddition, neither the Messenger nor the companions supervised or signed-off on what today is attributed to them, hence, the hadiths, if brought into a court of law, would be thrown out summarily, because they constitute second and third party accounts, that is, hearsay.
Now, here are the important questions:
1. Could the Messenger have said anything doubtful, contradictory or not 100% the truth?
2. Are the hadiths 100% truthful, free of error, doubt, mistake or contradiction?
3. Could the Messenger ever have misguided anyone?
The answers to the above questions are an obvious no, hence, the hadiths cannot be the practice of the Prophet, because he could never teach anything or call anyone to that which was not 100% the truth, doubtful or contradictory...now could he?
Some Muslims go backpacking in the remote Ozark mountains of Tenneesee and upon leaving one of them discovers that he left his Qur'an [in english] at the camp site. Well, one of the residents of the area who lives there happens upon the Qur'an and begins to read it. Now...
a. will that person know who Allah is and what He has commanded mankind to do?
b. Will that person know how to take shahada?
c. will that person know how to practice righteousness?
d. will that person know how to call upon/pray to Allah?
e. will that person, upon reading Al-Qur'an and following its contents, be admitted to Paradise?
39.2] Surely We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, therefore serve Allah, being sincere to Him in obedience.
39.3] Now, surely, sincere obedience is due to Allah (alone) and (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, (saying), We do not serve them save that they may make us nearer to Allah, surely Allah will judge between them in that in which they differ; surely Allah does not guide him aright who is a liar, ungrateful.
Do you see what Allah is saying here? obedience is due to Him alone, but you and all of those who support the obviously corrupted hadiths, say that, by doing so...it brings you nearer to Allah.
We don't have any direct explanations of the Messenger on anything, what we have are the "alleged" explanations and, given how these so-called explanations conflict in many cases, we know based on that the hadiths are not 100% reliable, hence, are not the explanations of the Messenger.
Allah, refers to His Qur'an as being the Guidance and the Clear Book which is fully detailed, omits nothing, complete, sufficient/enough, explaining everything in detail and answers all questions and arguements with the best explanation [ this means that, relative to the Object of Life/The Supreme Achievement, Allah Qur'an explains and answers every question:
3:185 Every soul shall taste of death, and you shall only be paid fully your reward on the resurrection day; then whoever is removed far away from the fire and is made to enter the garden he indeed has attained the object (of life); and the life of this world is nothing but a provision of vanities.
4:13 Those are limits set by Allah. those who obey Allah and His Messenger will be admitted to Gardens with rivers flowing beneath, to abide therein (for ever) and that will be the supreme achievement.
With this in mind then, Al-Qur'an, is sufficient/enough, as Allah says it is, for our spiritual guidance, growth and development and for the establishing of Islamic jurispruence, in order that we may practice righteousness in this world and by doing so that, we obtain Paradise, the object of life and the supreme achievement, in the world to come. Now, has Allah not detailed fully all that is necessary towards this end for His human being in His Qur'an?]
As 77:50 says:
39.66 Nay! but serve Allah alone and be of the thankful.
10.32 This then is Allah, your true Lord; and what is there after the truth but error; how are you then turned back?
77:50. Fabi-ayyi hadeethin baAAdahu yu/minoona
77:50. Then what Message, after that, will they believe in?
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