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Islam In America B4 Columbus
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Quote: I am Christian and wish to join your website because I believe we must educate ourselves to find the truth.  I'm want to say what is on my mind and I hope you do the same.
You better start worrying, because you may be wrong!


Please tell me, what works do you do that makes you think you are worthy of going to heaven? By what grace and honor is there that we should receive this gift?


You think that because the Muslim nation is growing that it makes it right? By following on a single prophet's words alone will do it? Surely one should base eternal  salvation on much more then this. (Yes there is a lot more.) The stakes are too high.


I'm sure we can argue a lifetime about the authenticity of the Quran as I can about the Bible.


But whether you believe it or not, Christ left no doubt about who He was. He came to a civilization that did and still is the most trained civilization ever to discern who is God. Since man walked the earth, the Jews have fought and battle over so many false Gods and pagans. Their history is littered with blood over finding this truth and for the most part they have never wavered.


Christianity and Jews are the same, except Jews of the today don't believe in Christ.


Christ healed many blind people, and He can heal you too. For not by works alone that we are saved, but by the grace of God.


Let me leave you with this. Why does Islam prevent free and open exchange of ideas and faith? Why does Islam insist on an Islamic State instead of a separation of church and state?


Christianity has always held to the belief that it is by free will and by persuasion, not force that we are to come to Him. 


If Islam allowed honest debate over its authenticity, I believe it would die a natural death.


God Bless You,


Mark

Again:



Mark,


Your 2 posts so far are full of hatred and racism which shows that you are the one that is evil and twisted in his thoughts.


I would argue with you forever about your religion and mine, but I already see that I would be wasting my time with you.


Why don't you try to learn about Islam and it's history in the past 1425 years before attacking it and basing your words on nonsense and ambiguous claims and words. What are you afraid of??


Al-Maidah


[59] Say: "O People of the Book! do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that hath come to us and that which came before (us), and (perhaps) that most of you are rebellious and disobedient?"


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#22



Quote:You better start worrying, because you may be wrong!

No we are not wrong, we are 100% sure we are right. We have many proofs to show u that we are right.


What proofs do u have?




Quote:Please tell me, what works do you do that makes you think you are worthy of going to heaven? By what grace and honor is there that we should receive this gift?

We worship only ONE GOD, not 3, one only worthy of worship,


In the Name of Allah Most Gracious most Merciful:


1. Say (O Muhammad ()): "He is Allâh, (the) One.



2. "Allâh-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).


3. "He begets not, nor was He begotten;


4. "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."


1, Surrat The purity


Jesus is Like Adam created in the same way, and never was he the son of God.


In the Name of Allah Most Gracious most Merciful:


59. Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allâh is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.



60. (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.


61. Then whoever disputes with you concerning him ['Iesa (Jesus)] after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus)] being a slave of Allâh, and having no share in Divinity) say: (O Muhammad ) "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves - then we pray and invoke (sincerely) the Curse of Allâh upon those who lie."


62. Verily! This is the true narrative [about the story of 'Iesa (Jesus)], and, Lâ ilâha ill-Allâh (none has the right to be worshipped but Allâh, the One and the Only True God, Who has neither a wife nor a son). And indeed, Allâh is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.


63. And if they turn away (and do not accept these true proofs and evidences), then surely, Allâh is All-Aware of those who do mischief.


64. Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allâh, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."


65. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you dispute about Ibrâhim (Abraham), while the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) were not revealed till after him? Have you then no sense?


66. Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that which you have no knowledge? It is Allâh Who knows, and you know not.


67. Ibrâhim (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa (Islâmic Monotheism - to worship none but Allâh Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrikûn (See V.2:105).


68. Verily, among mankind who have the best claim to Ibrâhim (Abraham) are those who followed him, and this Prophet (Muhammad ) and those who have believed (Muslims). And Allâh is the Walî (Protector and Helper) of the believers.


69. A party of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish to lead you astray. But they shall not lead astray anyone except themselves, and they perceive not.


70. O people of the Scripture! (Jews and Christians): "Why do you disbelieve in the Ayât of Allâh, [the Verses about Prophet Muhammad present in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] while you (yourselves) bear witness (to their truth)."


71. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): "Why do you mix truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know?" 3, Al-Imran


He said be and he was, God who created this vast universe, with all the galaxies stars and planets, cannot create a man without a father or a father without a woman or a woman without a father, verily he can, he does not need a son, he does not need a woman, he is one he is unique. U do not know how much it is a sin to make with God partners. Reconsider and start to learn, instead of defying us, we will defy u as well, how many bibles are there? may I ask.?, There is only one Quran only one never changed.




Quote:Christ healed many blind people, and He can heal you too. For not by works alone that we are saved, but by the grace of God.

So did our prophet, he healed many, by will of Allah. But we do not say it, because the Quran is enough proof, it is his miracle. And the Christ healed people by will of Allah, and not by his own power.


In the Name of Allah Most Gracious most Merciful:


42. And (remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allâh has chosen you, purified you (from polytheism and disbelief), and chosen you above the women of the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns) (of her lifetime)."



43. O Mary! "Submit yourself with obedience to your Lord (Allâh, by worshipping none but Him Alone) and prostrate yourself, and Irkâ'i (bow down etc.) along with Ar-Râki'ûn (those who bow down etc.)."


44. This is a part of the news of the Ghaib (unseen, i.e. the news of the past nations of which you have no knowledge) which We inspire you with (O Muhammad ). You were not with them, when they cast lots with their pens as to which of them should be charged with the care of Maryam (Mary); nor were you with them when they disputed.


45. (Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allâh gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allâh."


46. "He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous."


47. She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allâh creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" and it is.


48. And He (Allâh) will teach him ['Iesa (Jesus)] the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom, etc.), (and) the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel).


49. And will make him ['Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allâh's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allâh's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.


50. And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurât (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allâh and obey me.


51. Truly! Allâh is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path.


52. Then when 'Iesa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said: "Who will be my helpers in Allâh's Cause?" Al-Hawâriûn (the disciples) said: "We are the helpers of Allâh; we believe in Allâh, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allâh)."


53. Our Lord! We believe in what You have sent down, and we follow the Messenger ['Iesa (Jesus)]; so write us down among those who bear witness (to the truth i.e. Lâ ilâha ill-Allâh - none has the right to be worshipped but Allâh).


54. And they (disbelievers) plotted [to kill 'Iesa (Jesus)], and Allâh planned too. And Allâh is the Best of the planners. 3, Al-Emran


All by will of Allah




Quote:Let me leave you with this. Why does Islam prevent free and open exchange of ideas and faith? Why does Islam insist on an Islamic State instead of a separation of church and state?
Christianity has always held to the belief that it is by free will and by persuasion, not force that we are to come to Him.

Who said that we prevent free will, u have free will to stay christian we do not force u, we insist on Islamic state because our lord ordered us to, and we mean by Islamic state a true Islamic state, as on the days of the Prophet and the Khaleefets.




Quote:I am Christian and wish to join your website because I believe we must educate ourselves to find the truth. I'm want to say what is on my mind and I hope you do the same.

U r welcome to learn, I hope u will lower the attacking tone. And I hope <b>U</b> try and think more objectivley


Peace

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#23

Quote: Christianity and Jews are the same, except Jews of the today don't believe in Christ.
Christ healed many blind people, and He can heal you too. For not by works alone that we are saved, but by the grace of God.


Christianity has always held to the belief that it is by free will and by persuasion, not force that we are to come to Him.



well...........if u have read bible........the Christ have said that, he is the prophet from the God. We can ofcourse argue about that too !



But we respect each religion's beliefs & what other ppl believe in.........Islam wasn't spread by sword........masha allah....it was spread by it's just values & it's logical reasons.


Like Adam, Moses and Suleiman......Christ was also send by God to teach them there one ONE god........& donot ever call anyone God's Son, wife or grandfather.


Do not talk about Islam being a religion that was 'forced' upon other ppl.........statistics can tell u ........how many converts are Muslims & how many Christians..........U'll find our that Islam is spreading more even by converts [Image: biggrin.gif]


May God guide you [Image: biggrin.gif]

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#24

Assalamualaikum


Hiya everyone im back from holiday ...i noticed a bit of whiperings being happening since ive been away .... [Image: dry.gif]


Muslimah




Quote:Suhail left on a holiday, that is what I know from him, and I think u got what I was hinting to... Radiyah didnt u?

Radiyah




Quote:Oh he did really  , insha'Allah he will enjoy his holidays
yes sister Muslimah, i did get it don't worry 

ne way besides all that i enjoyed my holiday...and inshallah on the 25th of this month im going to umrah so hopefully it will all balance out...


hey i went on holiday on the 20th of june and thats when i joined a year a ago ... interesting coincidence [Image: rolleyes.gif]

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#25

Assalamualaykum...


MarkTheWay, it's ok if you don't wanna believe in Islam. But if you think you can convert us, you must give solid prooves, not emotional words... by the way, our faith in Islam is stronger than you can think....




Quote:Let me leave you with this. Why does Islam prevent free and open exchange of ideas and faith? Why does Islam insist on an Islamic State instead of a separation of church and state?

Islam does not prevent free and open exchange of ideas and faith. If you do read a lot ( i doubt that you do) you would find that inter-faith dialog is always held by Muslims everywhere. in my place one of them just ended few weeks ago.... isn't that what we call 'free and open'.


about the Islamic state... hahahahaha!!! sorry, i'm not intended to laugh, but i'm really sure that you know nothing about Islam if you compared the Islamic state with the separation of church and state...


you see, Islam is not only about praying to God. Islam is Ad-Deen, the way of life. Islam is different with other religions. Islam consists of economics, politics, laws, socials, sciences and a lot more..... That's why there is Islamic State. it's not like you worship God during prayeing times then go on your way during worldly hours....


listen, if you want to question us about the genuinity of Islam, you are very very welcome. but make sure you studied about Islam first, and bring out some facts or logical explaination, not emotions.....


Wallahu'alam...

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#26

Sobhan Allah MarkTheWay I dont see that u have much to say, u posted about 3 posts all are copies of each other regardless that they are irrelevant to the topic of the given thread.


why dont u try for a change to be logical and objective. Stay and learn Insh a Allah u will certainly gain much.


O by the way welcome to the boards

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#27

Quote: Assalamualaikum
Hiya everyone im back from holiday ...i noticed a bit of whiperings being happening since ive been away .... [Image: dry.gif]


Welcome back Suhail


...and inshallah on the 25th of this month im going to umrah so hopefully it will all balance out...


Mash a Allah u will not forget to make dua for all of us much dua and may Allah makes it easy for u and accept it ameen


hey i went on holiday on the 20th of june and thats when i joined a year a ago ... interesting coincidence [Image: rolleyes.gif]


Sobhan Allah

Assalamualaikum


Hiya everyone im back from holiday ...i noticed a bit of whiperings being happening since ive been away .... [Image: dry.gif]


Welcome back Suhail


...and inshallah on the 25th of this month im going to umrah so hopefully it will all balance out...


Mash a Allah u will not forget to make dua for all of us much dua and may Allah makes it easy for u and accept it ameen


hey i went on holiday on the 20th of june and thats when i joined a year a ago ... interesting coincidence [Image: rolleyes.gif]


Sobhan Allah

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#28
is it me or does this not make sense......... [Image: blink.gif]
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#29

u mean sis muslimah quoting your post twice !


obviously it's a mistake [Image: rolleyes.gif]


"jall mun la yashou" جل من لا يسهو

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Quote: Assalamualaikum
Hiya everyone im back from holiday ...i noticed a bit of whiperings being happening since ive been away .... [Image: dry.gif]


Muslimah




<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="1635" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Suhail left on a holiday, that is what I know from him, and I think u got what I was hinting to... Radiyah didnt u?

Radiyah




Quote:Oh he did really  , insha'Allah he will enjoy his holidays
yes sister Muslimah, i did get it don't worry 

ne way besides all that i enjoyed my holiday...and inshallah on the 25th of this month im going to umrah so hopefully it will all balance out...


hey i went on holiday on the 20th of june and thats when i joined a year a ago ... interesting coincidence [Image: rolleyes.gif]

</div></blockquote>

Wecome back suhail [Image: smile.gif] nice seeing u agian on board [Image: smile.gif]


Dont forget to pray for us in Omra [Image: smile.gif]


Salam

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