Question for Muslims

[joshua72]

Mash aAllah Josh, so in such case a question emerges here, now at this point how do u see Jesus, provided the Quran say he is not but a Messenger and Prophet and that Allah Never took sons neither that Jesus is Allah????Insh a Allah as soon as this point is clear with u, we shall continue, if u need Quran Ayahs let me know.... :smilingfl

salam alaikum,

I don't believe Jesus is Allah - but I do believe there is something special about Jesus.

God would not have created Jesus from a virgin just because. He could have easily allowed Peter, or anyone for that matter, impregnate Mary and then allow that child to be a messenger/prophet.

There must be a very good reason God chose to have Jesus born the way he was...Jesus was born in a way no man ever was - God wouldn't do that just for fun.

I really understand the Muslim view on Jesus - I know Muslims believe Jesus was only a man just like any other man, and that he was a prophet and messenger no different than any other, and that he was not crucified and resurrected.

But I still struggle with the idea that Muslims put soo much on Muhammed (pbuh) - the Quran talks about Muhammed as much as it talks about God. It says to obey Muhammed. There is so much emphasis put on Muhammed by the Quran that I just do not understand why equal emphasis is not put on any other messenger, especialy Jesus.

I understand that Muhammed was the last messenger of God, sent to give the final word - but just because he was the last does not mean he is any more important than any of the others.

I know you have given me info on this before, and I appreciate it and thank your for that.

It just seems like Islam overlooks all other prophets and sees Muhammed as a prophet above all others. The Quran says that Allah has no associate and is only by Himself; yet how often is Allah mentioned without mentioning Muhammed? Not very often. If only Allah alone is to judge and offer reward and punishment for our deeds, why must we obey Muhammed also - wouldnt it be more true to the word of Allah to only obey Allah and no other - not even Muhammed??

The Quran fascinates me in its consistency and lack of contradicting itself - where as the Bible seems to have many flaws. This is the one and only issue I noticed with the Quran. It says to worship Allah only...that only Allah has power to reward and punish, and that Allah has no associate - yet Muhammed is constantly associated with Allah.

Muslims disagree with the way Christians emphasise Jesus and associate Jesus with salvation, yet it is in no way different than what the Muslims seem to be doing with Muhammed.

It seems to me that Muhammed is to Islam what Jesus is to christianity.

Please forgive me if this comes off as argument - that is not the case.

I have nothing but the very most respect and appreciation for all that have been helping me learn about Islam. I am really glad I have found so many friends here that are willing to help me find the way. Before I knew much of Islam, I have asked God many times before to please help me get to the right path - and I believe that my interest in Islam is God's way of guiding me to the right path. Had I never bought the Quran and read it every night, I would never had these questions and the desire to learn more. I really feel that God has willed me to be among the righteous, and he has presented me with the Quran and so many friends to help me get there. Ever since I began reading the Quran and thinking about God every second of my day, I have noticed alot of positive changes happening. I am forever thankful to God for showing me the way, and I am also very thankful of all the Muslim friends helping me along. Thank you all VERY much!!

[Muslimah]

wow Josh, too many points,

Insh aAllah I will tackle one at a time.

Very good question about why Allah made Jesus be born this way.

We will look at it from two aspects:

1. Allah Created Adam from nothing I mean no human origin.

2. Allah Created Eve from Adam.

3. Allah Created jesus from a mother with no father. Can u see just to manifest Allah's Capability to mankind.

But most important is that Jesus was sent to the Jews who were so much into their materialistic world. They were advantaged with so many blessings from Allah yet, asked for material gains and evidences. With the way jesus was born Allah Aimed to tell them and draw their attention to spirtual miracles which may be of major importance.

Yet Jesus occupies an important position of course so is his mother. Why didnt u notice that Mohamed's mother was not even mentioned in Quran or referred to in any way?

I dont see how Mohamed is always mentioned with Allah, but I can think of an Ayah may be this is what u refer to; which translates as obey Allah and obey the Messenger. U know why Josh? When people asked Aesha (one of his wives) about his manner. She said his manner and moral was applying the Quran.

Mohamed went through anything and everything a human being can go through, including marriage, divorce, immigration, being oppressed, illness, lossing children and wife by death, loosing close family members who helped him thru death.

Now why? simply to tell us how to handle each situation in light what pleases only Allah.

In other words, he was a rold model for Muslims in terms of how to tackle different situations that occur in life. We had to see an applicable example to what came in Quran done by a human being just like us. So we can not aruge that o no we can not do this or follow that.

Even missing a prayer, he experienced to tell us that if u sleep and miss prayer just do it the minute u wake up.

Even forgetting how many Raka (prayer unit) he made, to teach us that when we experience this we simply take it for the lesser number.

Can u see this Josh, not in any way we take him near or close to or equal to Allah, no one is, he is just a Messenger.

But the final one to all creation mankind and jin

Whereas Jesus was only sent to the Jews.

The rest of the points Insh a Allah will attend to them or even may be my brothers and sisters will

just not to give too much into at a time

[Muslimah]

salam alaikum,
I have nothing but the very most respect and appreciation for all that have been helping me learn about Islam. I am really glad I have found so many friends here that are willing to help me find the way. Before I knew much of Islam, I have asked God many times before to please help me get to the right path - and I believe that my interest in Islam is God's way of guiding me to the right path. Had I never bought the Quran and read it every night, I would never had these questions and the desire to learn more. I really feel that God has willed me to be among the righteous, and he has presented me with the Quran and so many friends to help me get there. Ever since I began reading the Quran and thinking about God every second of my day, I have noticed alot of positive changes happening. I am forever thankful to God for showing me the way, and I am also very thankful of all the Muslim friends helping me along. Thank you all VERY much!!

to this I say


الحمد لله الحمد لله الحمد لله


praise be to Allah


hold on Josh u r so close Insh aAllah


read quran and listen to it...

[joshua72]

Ok - thank you very much - that makes much more sense now.

I think I understand it now. Thanks for clearing that up.

So Muhammed is seen as a role model. I get it now

I think we are ready to move on, if you think so too.

[Muslimah]

as salam alykom

Alhamdulelah, for more clarification about this point. Since Allah revealed the Quran to Mohamed (PAPBH) it will be only logical for Allah to command us to follow his footsteps which in other way the full obedience and submission to Allah which was Mohameds attitude. Joshua u would not believe how much the sunnah (what is taken after the Mohamed) is so important and beneficial. He even taught us how to sleep on the right hand side. which was proved to be medically healthy. He also taught us about certain food which proved to be for example a cancer prevention measure. Mind u all this of course is being transmitted from Allah the All Knowing. See as I told u before Mohamed (PAPBH) never did anything out of his own desire.

So we are commanded to follow the application of Quran. got the point....

Insh a Allah will move on Alhamdulelah. if u feel comfortable about this point and Jesus.

[Muslimah]

o sorry for coming back, not at any Ayah Allah laid emphasis on the Prophet or Messenger, since he is not more than a wire to communicate Allah's message. But at each time Allah lays emphasis on the core of the message itself which is to submit to the One Deity the True God Allah.

Much difference right...

In an Ayah Allah Say what means (I will translate the meaning myself) i can see u r online, later Insh a Allah will copy the Ayah from a source

Allah Say what means Mohamed is not but a Messenger so if he dies or be murdered will u turn back on your way??

Of course we will not because we simply worship Allah the eternal the Living.

Hope I helped

[Dan]

Bismillah

As salam alaikum

Basically, Muhammad's example is how to APPLY the Qur'an which is what Christianity lacks. The majority of laws and rituals are thought up by man. They are attempted to be based in the Bible but Islam's rituals are the exact way that Muhammad was commanded to worship by Allah. So by following this example, we are worshipping exactly in the manner that pleases Allah. Also by following the example of the Prophet, we can turn everyday activities into acts of worship like eating, drinking, entering our homes, dressing, bathing, the list is almost endless. Insha'Allah that helps a little?

Before I converted, I believed in the Qur'an as Allah's Words and I believed that he Alone was to be worshipped. I just did not know who Muhammad was as a man. So I wanted to learn more about him first. I read a quite good book, "The Life of Muhammad" by Haykal. This book told of all the hardships that he went through and how great of a character he had. It made me admire him which is what muslims do, nothing more.

One thing that I noted in the Qur'an that I read (translated by A. Yusuf Ali) is that it mentioned Moses and Jesus much more than Muhammad. It struck me as interesting that if Muhammad was making up this religion, why would he talk so foundly and extol the works of leaders from "contending" religions?

My thought process is done, I think? Insha'Allah I have been of some help. If not, let me know and I will try to clarify. I am also very pleased that you ARE asking questions. It shows your dedication to this spiritual and lifelong pursuit. It shows that this is not just some passing phase. May Allah Guide you and all of us to the Straight Path.

As salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

[naseeha]

I have nothing but the very most respect and appreciation for all that have been helping me learn about Islam. I am really glad I have found so many friends here that are willing to help me find the way. Before I knew much of Islam, I have asked God many times before to please help me get to the right path - and I believe that my interest in Islam is God's way of guiding me to the right path. Had I never bought the Quran and read it every night, I would never had these questions and the desire to learn more. I really feel that God has willed me to be among the righteous, and he has presented me with the Quran and so many friends to help me get there. Ever since I began reading the Quran and thinking about God every second of my day, I have noticed alot of positive changes happening. I am forever thankful to God for showing me the way, and I am also very thankful of all the Muslim friends helping me along. Thank you all VERY much!!

this is the way of the muslims...

i see you are starting to get the lingo down...heheh

you are saying as salaamu alaikum

great..... it means peace be unto you

now how about letting us teach you some more of this...

here is another one

Jazaakallah khair...

it means may allah reward you with goodness...

you say this instead of saying thank you...

the prophet says.."من شكر الناس شكر الله" whoever thanks man thanks allah..

so there is nothing wrong with saying thank you...

but also : the best thing that you can do for a muslim is to say Jazaakallah khair...

as you can see it can even increase the brotherly love that we share...

so josh

i must say

jazaakallah khair for starting this thread...

[NaSra]

May Allah keep lightening your way towards the truth joshua.

Everytime I read this thread I can't explain the feeling I get, I am so happy for you. I think I know how this will end. Everything is visible to Allah even you Josh who seeks the truth so sincerly. InshaALlah Allah will pay you in full for what you are seeking.

May ALlah reward all the brothers and sisters who have been part of this thread, I really admire you all, I think you are all a blessing mashaAllah.

May Allah reward you all with Jennah for doing this FeeSabiLiLilah :smilingfl

[Muslimah]

Jazaki Allah khairan katheeran ukhti. we can use all the dua u can make

Insh a Allah Josh is fine.

Insh a Allah I have a point to cover, by the Will of Allah I need to explain to u the area of the HOly spirit, Insh a Allah it will clarify a lot need to really prepare it, make dua for me Intuition that Allah Inspire the correct wording :learn: