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Who is the next president of the US of A?
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05-03-2004, 09:56 PM
:throwup: John Kerry: A Powerful Journey, An Essential Dream Another Zionist being set up by the power elite to occupy the Oval Office from January 20th, 2005, onwards. http://cms.hillel.org/Hillel/Israel/News+a...ntial_dream.htm http://www.serendipity.li/zionism.htm
05-04-2004, 12:18 AM
That's below the belt man. Kerry only found out that his GRANDfather was Jewish around 15 years ago. He was raised Irish Catholic. And believe me, the racism you hold within yourself about Jews is going to eat you alive one day. We are all human beings.
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05-04-2004, 07:47 AM
Arial Sharon has already won the November US elections. Never in our history have candidates been so overt in sucking up to a foreign government. BEHIND THE HEADLINES In outreach to Jewish community, Kerry stresses his ties with Israel By Ron Kampeas and Matthew E. Berger WASHINGTON, May 3 (JTA) — A Kerry administration would avoid the pressure other presidents have used to nudge Israel in peace negotiations, and would consult closely with the Jewish state before launching any new Mideast peace initiative. Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), the presumptive Democratic nominee for president, outlined his approach to Middle East peacemaking in an interview with JTA on Monday, the same day he launched his campaign to win Jewish votes with a major policy speech to the Anti-Defamation League. Kerry has been working hard to mitigate the effect in the Jewish community of President Bush’s extraordinary concessions to Israel last month, when the president recognized some Israeli claims to the West Bank and rejected any right of Palestinian refugees to return to Israel. The Jewish vote could play a crucial role in 10 swing states in what is likely to be a close election this fall, and Kerry is on a fund-raising drive that needs a strong turnout among the Democrats’ broad base of Jewish donors. His ADL speech sounded a range of notes aimed at pleasing Jewish ears — on civil rights, anti-Semitism and Israel. “For the entire 20 years that I have been in the United States Senate, I’m proud that my commitment to a secure Jewish state has been unwavering; not even by one vote or one letter or one resolution has it wavered,” Kerry said to the applause of the ADL audience. “As president, I can guarantee you that that support and that effort for our ally, a vibrant democracy, will continue.” That’s a guarantee that Bush — or for that matter, almost any of his predecessors — easily could make. In his subsequent interview with JTA, Kerry sought to elaborate on what would distinguish his presidency vis-a-vis Israel. “I’m very sensitive to the pushback that came from overly aggressive presidents who tried to just advance the title” of a peace process, “without the substance,” Kerry told JTA. “There’s always been a feeling of concessions driven without a return on it. I will never voice a concession that somehow puts Israel’s judgment of its security at risk.” The only president Kerry cited specifically was President Clinton. He praised Clinton for his efforts as an “honest broker” between Israelis and Palestinians, but acknowledged, “Some people, obviously there are a few people, who felt he pushed too hard.” Clinton pressed Israel into offering unexpectedly large concessions at the Camp David summit in 2000. Kerry also said his belief in a multilateral approach to foreign affairs did not apply to Israel. “The multilateral community has always been very difficult with respect to Israel, and we have always stood up against their efforts to isolate Israel,” he said. Kerry said his criticism of what he calls the Bush administration’s unilateralism has to do with the administration of Iraq, environmental issues and containment of North Korea. “None of that changes my record being wary” of “the way the U.N. has been used as a sort of battering ram with respect to Israel,” Kerry said. Kerry reiterated his endorsement of Bush’s recent concessions to Israel in exchange for Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s commitment to withdraw from the Gaza Strip and a portion of the West Bank. “ ‘Right of return’ is a non-starter. We need to get a note of reality into these discussions,” he said. Likewise, refusing to recognize the permanence of some settlements is “disingenuous,” Kerry said. Sharon’s Likud party rejected the settlements-for-withdrawal deal in a referendum Sunday, a blow to the Bush administration’s hopes of claiming at least one victory for its otherwise battered Middle East posture. Kerry suggested that if Bush made mistakes it had to do with how he framed the deal, which caught U.S. allies in Europe and the Middle East off guard. “There might have been ways in which the administration might have done diplomacy around this in a more effective way,” he said. Kerry said he would encourage America’s Arab allies to get more involved in developing alternatives to Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat. He faulted the Bush administration for not seizing the moment immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, when Arab nations might have been more susceptible to suasion. “There was an opportunity to perhaps take advantage of their sensitivity to being hauled over the front pages of every newspaper of the world when it happened,” he said. “There were some opportunities there to advance the accountability factor, the transparency factor, perhaps to get them to do a more overt effort to helping some kind of legitimate entity to emerge with which Israel could, in fact, negotiate.” Kerry said he pressed those issues with Arab leaders when he toured the region in January 2002. If elected, Kerry said, his first step with regard to the Middle East would be to consult with Israeli and U.S. Jewish leaders. “I’m not about to go off on some grand design. We’ve got to see where we are in terms of security, in terms of where is the government of Israel at that point in time,” Kerry said. He also backed off an earlier commitment to send a presidential envoy to the region. The people he proposed — Clinton, President Carter or former Secretary of State James Baker — angered some supporters of Israel. Kerry also agreed with the policy of isolating Arafat, whom Israel and the Bush administration accuse of ties to terrorism. “He’s where he appropriately belongs now, which is on the sidelines,” Kerry said. Kerry demonstrated a fluency with the issues, citing 1st-century Jewish historian Josephus Flavius and tossing in an allusion to the efforts of Menachem Begin, the late Israeli prime minister, to return the Gaza Strip to Egypt during peace negotiations in the 1970s. Meeting afterward with Daniel Ayalon, Israel’s ambassador to Washington, Kerry also showed an interest in internal Israeli politics, asking why Sharon had risked putting his withdrawal plan to a Likud Party vote instead of taking it to the entire Israeli public. Kerry had reached out to Sharon for a meeting on his recent Washington trip, but was rebuffed. Kerry’s speech to the ADL came ahead of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee annual meeting, which will feature a top Bush administration official, but not Kerry. AIPAC never invites an opposition presidential candidate to speak when an incumbent is running for reelection. In his speech to the ADL, Kerry sough to extend a prominent campaign theme — that Bush’s conservative agenda has divided the country — into one that resonated with an organization championing dialogue and conciliation. He celebrated the “notion that we don’t try to have a politics that goes down to the lowest common denominator, but rather lifts people up to the highest common denominator; that doesn’t try to drive wedges between people in order to govern and conquer, but recognizes the words of Abraham Lincoln — that a house divided against itself cannot stand,” Kerry said in his speech. “And we should ask ourselves in this country why it is that we are so divided today,” Kerry said. Democrats worry that Bush, who has impressed many in the Jewish community with a gut-level affection for Israel and its leaders, could cut into the community’s traditional support for the Democrats. Kerry’s voting record on Israel is spotless, but he acknowledged the difficulty of conveying his visceral attachment to Jewish causes. “I want to share with you more personally why that is so,” he said in his speech, after repeating his commitment to Israel. “Because you often hear those words, but it’s important to understand sort of how they connect to somebody, what it means.” Kerry recalled shouting “Am Yisrael Chai!” from atop Masada; he delivered a sensitive eulogy to Lenny Zakim, an ADL director in Boston who died of bone marrow cancer in 1999; and he spoke about the scourge of revived anti-Semitism. Afterward, some Jewish organizational leaders suggested Kerry had really connected. “When he spoke about his experiences and his 20-year relationship with Lenny Zakim, you could see he had a real connection with the State of Israel and the Jewish community,” one said. But another leader said he wanted to hear more substance on the Middle East. “There was not a lot of red meat in there,” he said. “It was a lot more personal than political.” http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?int...intcategoryid=3
05-04-2004, 10:19 AM
Hazam'sBro ..... I echo abu's sentiments.... Every one seems to be talking about<i>anti semitism</i> everyone seems to be making an uproar about how people are soooo <i>anti jew</i> and about how we are all wrong for being anti jew... Why is it that ppl are'nt making a fuss about those who are <b>anti muslim</b> ... Why is it that when i go down the road looking dressed in a thaub all the non muslims look at me like a terrorist... like a fool... like one who is seriously on the wrong path... why.... look at two sides of the coin hazam... dont accuse any one of anti jew until you fully understand his/ her reason for being soo... i am not trying to be so bold as to say that i know abu's mind... I hardly know the brother... what i could say is this... the zionists are doing <b>OUR</b> brothers and sisters a great injustice in palestine... their jewish counter parts look on as if nothing happened... Jews look at us as goim(dogs).... Now hazam... tell me... who is the racial one i do not hate jews... but <b> WA ALLAHI</b> I hate what they have done to my brothers and sisters worldwide (not only palestine)... :cry: does this hatred for their evil actions make me a racist... does my apprehesion to Sen. John Kerry becoming a president because of what i have seen before in america and becasue of the example of his predecessors, make me a racist... now lemme go before i hijack this thread.... <b>sorry for going off topic there abu... i just had to say that</b> I think i better go before I get called a racist:rolleyes:
05-04-2004, 11:53 AM
Quote:<i>Originally posted by AbuNoran </i><b>Well put brother:thumup: :twoguns: </b>no problem abu May allah guard us from these zionists... and may we live to see victory over them.... (ameen) (ameen) (ameen)
05-04-2004, 04:31 PM
Listen, I never called him a racist, nor will I call anyone a racist who speaks out rationally. But this is the logic you live by: 1) Israel stole the land from the Palestinians, and the Palestinians have the right to reclaim their land if this is truly the case and this is really what you feel then I guess the following deductions can also be put forth 2) The arabs stole the lands from the Persians, and since the persians were their first, they deserve all their land back 3) The Ottoman turks pushed out the greeks from their land, but since the greeks were their first, they deserve their land back The point I'm getting at is that different countries have been attacked and have lost land in various different generations during humanity. Just look at the various species that currently occupy this tiny planet. The majority of them have wars because of territorial disputes (not the kinds of war you and I are use to seeing). I really can't see how this is any different than those examples I listed above. Having said this, I am a humanitarian so I do feel for the Palestinian cause. I have recently downloaded footage of what is happening there, and I must admit that the conditions are very brutal in some areas. But I do not feel that suicide bombings is an effective way to get the sympathy that the Palestinians need from the rest of the world. I believe one generation of Palestinians must try to diplomatically free themselves from this repression.
05-04-2004, 06:04 PM
Bismillah As salam alaikum Highjack! I just want to warn everyone. "But I do not feel that suicide bombings is an effective way to get the sympathy that the Palestinians need from the rest of the world." Guess what the Palestinians were doing before they started suicide bombings? After waiting and waiting and having the UN ignore their pleas, they started to try to remedy thier situation in a manner that they felt would suceed with the little resources that they have. I am not stating my opinion on these tactics. I have one but it is mine. Since I am not a scholar, I keep my mouth shut. I just wanted to point out that these people have been waiting for help. The only difference now is that countries use the excuse that they are terrorists as a means of denying them aid. Along those lines, did you believe that the trade blockade to Iraq was effective in getting Sadam Hussien from power or did it just starve innocent people? Should everyone suffer because of the actions of a few? As salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu, ikhwan.
05-04-2004, 07:06 PM
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Dan </i><b>Bismillah</b>So what is your solution to the palestinian conflict? The continued killing of Jews? The continued slaughter of the Palestinians? "Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword." And as for your take on Saddam Hussein (which I think is really irrelevent to the topic at hand) I think the sanctions that were placed on Iraq was a total disaster. Clinton actually thought Hussein cared for the other factions of his country, which he obviously did not. And your final question about should everyone suffer because of the actions of a few. No they shouldn't. And to stop something like this from happening again, we have to stop supporting puppet governments like we did with Hussein, and currently with the Mullah's in Iran. But I want your opinion on the following: What percentage of the Palestinians support the suicide bombings?
05-04-2004, 11:21 PM
Quote:<i>Originally posted by Hazam'sBro </i><b>And believe me, the racism you hold within yourself about Jews is going to eat you alive one day. </b>If you were not calling him a racist... to what do you refer here... brother... being a racist and holding hate in your heart for the wrong that ppl do, are two different things... please take note before making such statements... If you make a statement like this about what is within the brother... how are you going to answer to allah for such a thing ... my previous post was ment to admonish you.... so that you will think before making such personal statements.... not only on this board but anywhere.... becareful bro be careful.... i am sorry if you misunderstood my last post... it was out of love... not meant to be an attack... please bro... in future .... be careful about what you say to your muslim bro's and sis' may allah hellp us all and grant us wisdom(ameen) |
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