Shaikh Ahmad Yaseen Killed by Israeli's After Fajer Today! ;(

[Muslimah]

<i>Originally posted by phatmonky </i><b>Hazam's, while I agree with much of what you are saying, please keep the tone down. Muslimah might enjoy locking a thread that degrades to anger, but if it is locked while we simply ask questions, I get to yell about how I am being censored again </b>

Really though, let's keep it cool in here

as salam a`alman itab`alhoda

Phat I must say that u put a simle on my face twice today, along with a growing respect for u trying to explain Ibn using the expression rhetoric.

and do i have this bad reputation, I am not the only one who does these things u know,

but I never enjoy locking a thread any way. Phat may Allah opens your heart. U keep on the good work man.

[Muslimah]

<i>Originally posted by Ibn_kumuna </i><b>Salaam Alaikum!</b>

There’s a point I wanted to make. I strongly believe that in the current situation going on in Israel-Palestine is nationalistic. And, to that extent, they (both Israeli’s and Palestinians) use the bible and the Quran to justify their positioning.  

I protest against this narrow approach.  

Ibn

as salam alykom akhi

I understand what u r referring to, yes we must not fight in the name of a flag, or else this is not jihad, but again do search the word Ribat, to make it easy Ribat is one who is assigned to protect the borders of Muslim country against any non muslim invadors. As simple as this one who fights in the name of Allah, gets the reward of jihad, and only Allah knows the intention.

Ibn I even have a totally different view about all this may be I can refer to an article written at the time of the Iraq war last year, yet it applies.

I see that all this must happen and we muslims must not really whine about it. We lost the essence of Islam, Alhamdulelah, but this is also one of the signs of the Day After as u must know.

http://www.islamsms.com/htm/bb/1234.htm

[radiyah]

\"originaly posted by Hzam's bro\"Ignorance may lie in waves of bliss from where you come from, but the next time you want to argue with a History major, be sure you have the complete story.

I did not claim to be a scientist or the

all knowing, only Allah is the all

knowing, and I am not showing off my

knowledge but the true history will be

there to show and prove itself, but

always when it comes to Islam, we are

the ignorant and savage people. I put

proof and links for u to prove my post

and what did I get in return? anyways

thanku and may God forgive u, but u

do not beleive in God do u ?

There is no war on Islam.  are you talking about? And let's not forget how many innocent civilians suicide bombers have killed.

lol really, no war on Islam, I will not

add anything more on this issue.

And let's not forget how many innocent palestinians children, elderly men and women were killed, girls raped. Only the Jews are the innocent ?

LOL, you are saying the British left because Gandhi was not a muslim? Man, I really don't know where you are from, but it seems pretty obvious you have been brainwashed by zealots and religious bigots. I thought the British gave India its independence ONLY if the two nationalist nations, thhe Muslim League and the Congress Party, resolved their differences?

Ok, they resolved their differences( this is what is supposed to be shown on surface u should know better u are a history major:) ), but what is happening to muslims inside india, they were burnt to death alive, dont tell me u do not know about that either. And I am not brainwashed, and our scholars are not zealots and bigots. Anyways u have your opinion u r a free person to say what u wish, I respect that we do not force anything on any1.

Wait a second, are you saying that the suicide bombings are because of a religious building? If this is truly your argument then I have less respect for the religion of Islam that I previously thought.

Well, again this is up to u, but if u study Islam honestly and knowing it's essence truly you will not say that.

And oh since this is your second post and you are new on this forum, we forgot to welcome u on board, and we are really sorry if things here do not come up to your expectations. Enjoy and sorry for any innconvenience.

[Hazam'sBro]

<i>Originally posted by radiyah </i><b>I did not claim to be a scientist or the</b>

all knowing, only Allah is the all

knowing, and I am not showing off my

knowledge but the true history will be

there to show and prove itself, but

always when it comes to Islam, we are

the ignorant and savage people. I put

proof and links for u to prove my post

and what did I get in return? anyways

thanku and may God forgive u, but u

do not beleive in God do u ?

You posted links to a bunch of sites where religious islamic bigots try to prove that every civilization has some sort of link to Islam. What I gave you is the true history of native americans here in north america.

And why do you say that I don't believe in God? The only thing I mentioned in my previous post was that I am an agnostic.

<b>lol really, no war on Islam, I will not </b>

add anything more on this issue.

Because there is nothing to add to the issue. There is no war on Islam. You can't provide me with a single shread of evidence that contradicts what I said.

<b>And let's not forget how many innocent palestinians children, elderly men and women were killed, girls raped. Only the Jews are the innocent ?</b>

I already mentioned that both sides are responsible for the killings of innocent civilians. But don't worry, I am sure you will try to spin this anyway you can to find a conclusion that fits into what you believe in.

<b>Ok, they resolved their differences( this is what is supposed to be shown on surface u should know better u are a history major:) ), but what is happening to muslims inside india, they were burnt to death alive, dont tell me u do not know about that either.</b>

Why is it that Jinnah was the one who wanted to separate the country apart? Independence came at great cost. While Gandhi was leading a largely Hindu movement, Mohammed Ali Jinnah was fronting a Muslim one through a group. Jinnah advocated the division of India into two separate states: Muslim and Hindu, and he was able to achieve his goal. When the British left, they created the separate states of Pakistan and Bangladesh, and violence erupted when stranded Muslims and Hindu minorities in the areas fled in opposite directions. Within a few weeks, half a million people had died in the course of the greatest migration of human beings in the world's history. The aging Gandhi vowed to fast until the violence stopped, which it did when his health was seriously threatened. At the same time, the British returned and helped restore order. Excepting Kashmir, which is still a disputed area (and currently unsafe for tourists), the division reached stability. Jinnah was a fool, and was not half the man that Gandhi was.

<b>And I am not brainwashed, and our scholars are not zealots and bigots. Anyways u have your opinion u r a free person to say what u wish, I respect that we do not force anything on any1. </b>

I am glad you didn't make an argument to the contrary.

<b>Well, again this is up to u, but if u study Islam honestly and knowing it's essence truly you will not say that.</b>

Knowing its essence? Oh I see. So the death of innocent people who had nothing to do with that event I guess is justified to the fact that you are not able to pray in a certain place for a limited amount of time? Truly sickening argument you have made

<b>And oh since this is your second post and you are new on this forum, we forgot to welcome u on board, and we are really sorry if things here do not come up to your expectations. Enjoy and sorry for any innconvenience. </b>

No inconvenience. I just thought to make an argument on the message board since so many people seem to think so one sided on this board.

[radiyah]

well as u are a historian, I will not argue with u. You are convinced of what u learned, and I am convinced of my faith, and i did not say that I agree that innocent people are killed, I am against that, I think I made myself clear about that

our relegion is against killing innocent people, children women elderly, or even to

cut a tree off. What I am trying to say here

that palestinians have no other solution, since 1947 and their land is being stripped

peace after peace, and promises given to them and no use they are losing more land. Anyways I will not argue more about this issue, because this is not an arguing board, u r convinced of your Ideas, I respect that, but that will not change mine.

What does the word agnostic mean, does'nt it mean that u have doubt about his existence?

we think one sided because most of us are muslims, and if u were on a christian board or jewish or any other relegion they will be one sided as well.

and again I repeat , I am against killing innocent people, jewish ,hindus, christians or any other relegion. Because our relegion forbids that.

and again I welcome u aboard.

[Hazam'sBro]

<i>Originally posted by radiyah </i><b>well as u are a historian, I will not argue with u. You are convinced of what u learned, and I am convinced of my faith, and i did not say that I agree that innocent people are killed, I am against that, I think I made myself clear about that</b>

our relegion is against killing innocent people, children women elderly, or even to

cut a tree off. What I am trying to say here

that palestinians have no other solution, since 1947 and their land is being stripped

peace after peace, and promises given to them and no use they are losing more land. Anyways I will not argue more about this issue, because this is not an arguing board, u r convinced of your Ideas, I respect that, but that will not change mine.

Listen, I have no doubts that Israel is just as responsible for 'terrorist' activities as these suicide bombers we see daily on our television. I do admit that out media is 'pro-Israeali' to a certain degree. The logical conclusion, however, must be that of peace for all sides. The United States has offered up a two state solution, and the killings continue. Can you please inform me from where you are from, what are the causes for this? Has Israel done something that we here in the United States are not informed or inclined by our media of knowing? Please explain to me, besides the killing of yassin, why this circle of blood continues?

<b> What does the word agnostic mean, does'nt it mean that u have doubt about his existence? </b>

Agnostics are those who are inconclusive that a God does or does not exist. Never for a moment did I mention that I do or don't believe in God. What I said, and will alway say, is that I do not know if He exists.

<b>we think one sided because most of us are muslims, and if u were on a christian board or jewish or any other relegion they will be one sided as well. </b>

I never take any side in any argument when dealing with politics. I do understand that people from certain countries only hear one side of the story. I try getting my facts from various non-partisan internet sources. While some might be "pro-israeli' as you mentioned (CNN, NBC), I do also look at aljazeeras website for their outlook of what has happend.

<b>and again I repeat , I am against killing innocent people, jewish ,hindus, christians or any other relegion. Because our relegion forbids that.</b>

I just wish that both the people of Palestine and Israel realized this

<b>and again I welcome u aboard. </b>

Thanks

[Muslimah]

salam Hazam'sBro

may be u got this note from Phatmonky, but we need to set things straight here.

first welcome to the board, second did u read the rules of the forum?? we are here to discuss in a respectful manner. hope u get this. Certainly we r not here to fight. r u here to fight? u dont seem so.

if u did not read the rules, I certainly advice u to go read it.

no need to call scholars bigots and so forth. here we r trying to learn and help others learn.

since u r interrogating sister Radiyah all the time rather than focusing on the post. Can I know what is your motive of being on an Islamic forum?? not that we dont accept an agnostic, everybody is most welcome and their intention is know to Allah who Exists by the way and Insh a Allah Allah will help u settle this confusion if He does exist or not.

waiting for a reply

Muslimah

[Hazam'sBro]

<i>Originally posted by Muslimah </i><b>salam Hazam'sBro</b>

may be u got this note from Phatmonky, but we need to set things straight here.

first welcome to the board, second did u read the rules of the forum?? we are here to discuss in a respectful manner. hope u get this. Certainly we r not here to fight. r u here to fight? u dont seem so.  

if u did not read the rules, I certainly advice u to go read it.

no need to call scholars bigots and so forth. here we r trying to learn and help others learn.

since u r interrogating sister Radiyah all the time rather than focusing on the post. Can I know what is your motive of being on an Islamic forum?? not that we dont accept an agonistic, everybody is most welcome and their intention is know to Allah who Exists by the way and Insh a Allah Allah will help u settle this confusion if He does exist or not.

waiting for a reply

Muslimah

I was just wondering about how Muslims think of America. Also, from what I have read, it seems that the majority of Muslims actually sympathized the death of Sheik Yassin. This is simply amazing to me. We are talking about a man that deidicated his life to drive the Jews out of Israel. He was responsible for the killings of hundreds of innocent civilians. Yet, you mourn his death? This is a direct quote from your 'Holy Book' the Qur'an

"God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny. He warns you so that hopefully you will pay heed."

Waiting for a reply...

[radiyah]

originally posted by johndoe \"Hello fellow agnostic !\"

May Allah help us sister Muslimah 2

agnostics, I really am seriuosly thinking

of making a reasearch on that type of

people, I can't understand how can a well educated person have doubts in God's existance, or how can he even not be sure if he is there or not. Cnnot they c the sky how it is built, cannot they c the sea how deep it is with all of it's creatures from tiny to huge, cannot they c the bird's flying in the sky who is holding them from falling, cnnot they c the mountins built, the trees the flowers, each is different in essence in color, canot they c the rivers flowing into the sea, that the sea does not overcome the sweet water of the river nor does the river overcomes the sea, cannot they sea how man was created inside his mother's womb, from just a mere clot to full grown man, all this was it there just by coincidence, how, it takes us years to build buildings, to make roads, to create cars or planes, it takes effort and time from us mere human beings to build our homes, scholls, institutes, etc..., or were they there by themselves, we will just look at something and say oh be and it will be can we do that, can we create ahumn being, can we create anything Allah created. No of course not we can't we cannot create live things, we can create things that will help us live, that will help us worship God better, but still we find humans who are doubtfull about his existance, how can they be so denying so ungrateful for all the blessings he has bestowed on us, if one minor blessing taken away from us what can we do, can we bring it back, it might be back if he wills only.

And we Muslims are the only ones that beleive in his oneness, no trinity, no cows, no goats, no mice no nothing, only Allah the exalted, the one, the Almighty. And yes we are ready to die for him we are ready to pay our lives that he gave to us, just like sheikh Yaseen. And both of u Phat and hazam bro read the history of sheikh yaseen and see what the jews did to him, and then say he is wrong, he was paralyzed on the age of 16, by the jews, he was tortured by hte jews, he lost one of his eyes because of the jews, he lost hearing in one ear because of the jews, girls are been taken from their homes and raped by the jews, u Americans it is easy for u to say that we are terrorists, but the jews who raped the whole of palestine is not a terrorist , the history that the jews pleases will be kept and what does not they will hide. May Allah the Almighty open the eyes of both of u and c the truth.

we do not hate american civilian's, we do not hate anybody, but America is one sided, it is always backing the jews in the name of fighting terrorism, and that is what we are against. I said that in anothere thread, in heroshima and nagazaki was not that terrororism, in chechnya and afghanistan was not that terrorism, in bosnia was not that terrorism, and when the french and british invaded the moslim world, killing people raping girls, was that not terrorism, and all that in the name of democracy. Well if your governements will fight in the name of democracy to enslave people, we fight in the name of Allah to free people, and if you are an honest historian( hazam bro) you should know the truth and tell the truth,

I say it again , there is war against Islam, yes there is, and there will be war against Islam, till the day of judgement, and then all of us will know who was on the right side and who was on the wrong. I don't care what any1 say or if anyone mocks my post, what I know that I am sure of my faith, as I am sure of Allah's existance, and in his name I will fight and in his I will live and in his name I will die.

\"God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny. He warns you so that hopefully you will pay heed.\"

We do not do tyranny on others unless they start, or do u expect us to be killed, raped, our lands stolen, and we will say yes come on , u are welcome, u can kill me torture me rape me, because u r a jew and americans who are doing all this in the name of democracy.

In the name of Allah the Most Gracious the Most Merciful :



2:190 Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.

2:191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

2:192 But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

2:193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.



This is also in the Quran

I do not know if anything I wrote will convince u of anything, I am not here to win an argument or to please myself , or to please any1, I am here to serve Allah and please him only, may he accept from me, and may he forgive me if I wrote or did anything wrong.

In the name of Allah Most Gracious the Most Merciful:

2:255 God! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.

2:257 God is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).



I am sorry for my long post , I have no

hatred or offence upon any1. accept my apologies if I offended any1.

and it is not important where i come from Hazam, is it ?we are all from planet earth, and all are God's creation.

[Ibn_kumuna]

Salaam Alaikum

The position on the America, “Hazam’s bro” varies from Muslim-to-Muslim. Not all Muslims love America. But, not all Muslims hate America, either. The thrust behind both positions is simple; on one hand, some Muslims bathe themselves in America for its freedom of expression. While on the other hand, some Muslims deeply resent America for it’s two-faced positioning in the world. Both positions have good points for their admiration and resentment and both positions have their flaws, as well

Sheikh Yassin’s assassination, in my opinion, was out of line by Israel. There could have been other methods rather than firing a missile into a crowded area. I also question the timing. Like I enquired earlier, can one really believe that his death will subside terrorism?

Yes! This is rather a tentative answer. But, it’s all within the hands of research. If one were so inclined, one can find a mountain full of this information.

Ibn