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al-Hoor al-'Eeyn
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(iii) al-Hoor al-'Eeyn

Allaah (swt) will marry the believers in Paradise to beautiful women who were not their wives in this world, as Allaah (swt) says:

"So [it will be] and We shall marry them to Houris with wide lovely eyes." [44:54]

al-Hoor is the plural of Hooraa', which is a woman, the white parts of her eyes intensely white, and the black is intensely black. al-'Eeyn is the plural fo 'Aynaa, which is the woman whose eyes are wide.

The Qur'aan describes al-Hoor al-'Eeyn as being firm and full-breasted:

"Verily, for al-Muttaqoon, there will be a success; gardens and grapeyards and young full-breasted [mature] maidens of equal age." [78:31-33]

Al-Hoor al-'Eeyn are creatures that Allaah (swt) has made especially for Paradise, and has made them virgins:

"Verily, We have created [their companions] of special creation, and made them virgin-pure [and undefiled], beloved [by nature], equal in age." [56:35-37]

The fact that they are virgins means that no-one has ever married them before:

"...whom no man or jinn has touched before them." [55:56]

This refutes the idea that the wives that Allaah (swt) will create for them in Paradise will be their wives from this life, made young again after old age had overtaken them. That idea if correct in that Allaah (swt) will admit the believing women to Paradise with their youth restored but they are not al-Hoor al-'Eeyn whom Allaah created in Paradise.

The Qur'an also speaks of the beauty of the women of al-Jannah:

"And [there will be] Houris with wide lovely eyes [as wives for the pious], Like unto preserved pearls." [56:22-23]

Maknoon ["preserved"] means hidden or protected, something whose colour is not changed by exposure to sunlight or by being tampered with. Elsewhere, Allaah likens them to rubies and coral, two beautiful precious stones:

"In them will be [maidens] restraining their glances, whom no man or jinn has touched before them, Then which of the favours of your Rabb will you deny? Like unto rubies and coral." [55:56-58]

al-Hoor are also described as restraining their gaze upon their husbands i.e. they restrict their gaze and don't let their eyes wander to others. Allaah (swt) has stated that they are very beautiful, and it is sufficient to know that Allaah (swt) said:

"In them will be fair [companions] good and beautiful; then which of the favours of your Rabb will you deny? Companions restrained [as to their glances] in [goodly] pavilions" [55:70-72]

The women are not like the women of this world. They are free of al-Hayd [menstruation], an-Nifaas [post-natal bleeding], spittle, mucus, urine and stools. This is what is referred to in the aayah:

"..And they shall have therein Azwaajun Mutahharatun [purified mates]" [2:25]

The Prophet (saw) told us about the beauty of the wives of the People of Paradise. al-Bukhaari and Muslim reported from Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger (saw) said, "...the marrow of whose leg-bones will be visible through the flesh because of their extreme beauty." [as-Saheeh, Kitaab al-Khalq, Baab Maa Jaa'a fi Sifaat al-Jannah, Fath al-Baari, 6/318 and Muslim in Kitaab al-Jannah wa Sifaat Na'eem ahlilhaa, Baab awwal zumrah tadkhul al-Jannah, 4/2178, no. 2834]

Look at this beauty that the Prophet (saw) described! Can you find any comparison to it in the world that you know?! :

"If one of the women of Paradise were to look at the people of this world, everything in between them would be lit up and filled with her fragrance. The veil on her head is better than this world and everything in it." [al-Bukhaari, in as-Saheeh, Kitaab al-Jihaad, Baab wa Zawwajnahum bi Hoor-'Eeyn. Fath al-Baari, 6/15]

The smallest number of wives that any one man will have in Paradise is seventy-two. It was reported that the Shaheed will have seventy two wives from amongst al-Hoor a--'Eeyn [Mishkaat al-Masaabeeh, 3/357, no. 3834, at-Tirmidhi, Ibn Maajah from al-Miqdaam ibn Ma'd Yakrib]

The Song of al-Hoor al-'Eeyn

The Messenger (saw) told us that al-Hoor in Jannah sing with sweet, beautiful voices. In al-Mu'jam al-Awsat, at-Tabaraani reports with a saheeh isnaad from Ibn 'Umar that the Prophet (saw) said,

"The wives of the people of Paradise will sing to their husband in the most beautiful voices that anyone has ever heard. What they will sing is: "We are good and beautiful, the wives of a noble people, who look at their husbands content and happy." And they will sing, "We are eternal, and will never die, we are safe and will never fear, we are remaining here and will never go away."" [saheeh al-Jaami as-Sagheer, 2/48, no. 1557; also Abu Na'eem, ad-Diyaa in Sifaat al-Jannah]

Samawayh reported in al-Fawaa'id from Anas that the Messenger of Allaah (saw) said, "al-Hoor al-'Eeyn are singing in Paradise saying, "We are the beautiful houris, we are being kept for noble husbands."" [saheeh al-Jaami', 2/58, no. 1598]

The Jealousy of al-Hoor al-Eeyn over their Husbands in this World

The Prophet (saw) told us that al-Hoor feel jealous over their husbands in this world, if the wife of one of them upsets him. Ahmad and at-Tirmidhi report with a saheeh isnaad from Mu'aadh that the Messenger of Allaah (saw) said,

"No woman in this world upsets her husband but his wife from among al-Hoor al-'Eeyn will say, "Do not upset him, may Allaah kill you! For he is with you only temporarily, and soon he will leave you and come to us."" [saheeh al-Jaami' as-Sagheer, 6/125, no. 7069]

(iv) The believer in Paradise will be given the Strength of One Hundred Men

Anas reported that the Prophet (saw) said, "The believer in Paradise will be given such and such strength." He was asked, "O Messenger of Allaah, will he really be able to do that?" He said, "He will be given the strength of one hundred men." [it was reported by at-Tirmidhi, Mishkaat al-Masaabeeh, 3/90, no. 5636, at-Tirmidhi said: "ghareeb saheeh."]

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#2

Assalam aleikum

Ya Abu Dujanah you like these topics [Image: smile.gif]

This topic always gets sisters a bit agitated but we have to remember that we will be SUPERIOR to the al-Hoor al-'Eeyn. Alhamduillah.

<b>This is taken from a book by Ibn Nuha'as</b>

The shiekh is explaining the excuses that men use to abstain from Jihad. And here he talks to those who don't want to leave their wives.

Brief commentary on Ibn Nuhaas

Ibn Nuhaas was a scholar and mujahid from the past and was mentioned by the great scholar, Hafidh Ibn Hajar al-Asqalaani by the following words, "He was inseparable from jihaad in the front line of Demyaat, and this is a perfect and excellent quality".

What other scholars say about him:

As-Sakhaawy states: "He strove in doing good, and preferred obscurity, he did not become proud because of his knowledge, on the contrary maybe those who did not know him would think him to be a commoner, with his pleasant appearance, beautiful beard, stocky and even body, he participated much in ribaat and jihaad until he was martyred"

<b>"But my beautiful wife! "</b>

If you say: "it does not appease my soul, departing from my beautiful wife, my delight when she is close and my happiness from her love". Given that your wife is the most attractive of women, and the most beautiful of the people of her time, is not her beginning a despised drop? Her last a foul corpse? And between these two she is a virgin. Her menses prevent you from her for half her life, her disobedience to you is more than her obedience, if she does not wear kohl she becomes bleary eyed, if she does not adorn herself her roughness becomes apparent and if she does not comb her hair it becomes dishevelled. If she does not oil herself her radiance is extinguished, if she does not wear perfume musty is her smell, if she does not wash odorous is her odour, full of faults and quick to bore. If she advances in age she disheartens, if she grows old she becomes senile, you do your best and strive for her and she denies this if she becomes angry. As the prophet (S.A.W) has said: "If you were to do good to one of them for a lifetime then she were to notice something bad in you, she would say: I have never seen any good from you". You desire from her the foulest part of her, you fear her desertion, you fear her harshness, your love for her carries you to exhaustion and fatigue, intense misery and distress. She exposes you to the sources of destruction and you are pleased to fulfil the slightest of her whims at your destruction or that close to it. She loves you because of her needs from you, if they pass by she deserts you, she abandons you and seeks for other than you. She becomes bored with you and she makes her enmity apparent, as she says with the tongue of her condition even if she does not express it in words: "Maintain me and spend, or separate from me and divorce me!” In summary it is impossible to enjoy her except with a twist, your relationship with her will not last except with pressure and hardship. By Allah! What a wonder! How do you let love of her hamper you from reunion with one created from light? Raised in the shade of palaces with youths and maidens, in the abode of luxuries and happiness, by Allah! the blood of a martyr does not dry but that he has met her.

Know that separation from your wife eventually is a must; it is as if it has already happened and in paradise you shall be joined together if Allah wills. What best of joining places! And what is between you and her reaching there if she is of the righteous, except a time during which you must separate from her and that is death. <b>You will find her in the hereafter more beautiful than the wide-eyed maidens by a factor that none knows except the Lord of the worlds. That which you despised in her gone, that which was evil in her vanished, her manners perfected, her creation beautified, more attractive, broad eyed, a beautiful radiant woman, virgin, cleaned from menses and bleeding, removed from her all types of impurities and her crookedness straightened. Her jubilation increased, her glow expanded, her virility enlarged and she is superior to the wide-eyed maidens like their superiority over her in this present abode. So turn away from her today for Allah’s cause, he will exchange her for you and if she is of the people of paradise then you must have her. </b>

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#3

Walaykum Salaam

Quote:<i>Originally posted by UmmHabibah </i><b> This topic always gets sisters a bit agitated but we have to remember that we will be SUPERIOR to the al-Hoor al-'Eeyn. Alhamduillah</b>
How so?

Have you any textual evidence to support this?

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Quote: <b>So turn away from her today for Allah’s cause</b>
what do you mean by this umm and where is the daleel for it

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#5

Assalam aleikum

Quote:what do you mean by this umm and where is the daleel for it
Akhee i didn't give a fatwa! So i don't need to produce daleel. This is just extracts from a book. Maybe if i post the whole thing it will be clearer.

Sorry if its taking it a bit off the subject.

<b>AN ADVICE TO THOSE WHO ABSTAIN FROM FIGHTING IN THE CAUSE OF ALLAH by Ibn Nuhaas </b>

Brief commentary on Ibn Nuhaas

Ibn Nuhaas was a scholar and mujahid from the past and was mentioned by the great scholar, Hafidh Ibn Hajar al-Asqalaani by the following words, "He was inseparable from jihaad in the front line of Demyaat, and this is a perfect and excellent quality".

What other scholars say about him:

As-Sakhaawy states: "He strove in doing good, and preferred obscurity, he did not become proud because of his knowledge, on the contrary maybe those who did not know him would think him to be a commoner, with his pleasant appearance, beautiful beard, stocky and even body, he participated much in ribaat and jihaad until he was martyred"

Know! Oh abstainer from that which has been obligated of jihaad!

Deviator from the ways of success and correctness, that you have been exposed to expulsion and relegation. By Allah! Prevented from happiness by obtaining the objective. What that I knew! The reason for your abstinence from fighting and plunging yourself into the battles of the brave. Your miserliness in the path of Allah with your soul and wealth. All this is due to distant hopes, fear of an on-slaughting life span and hatred of leaving a beloved from family, wealth, son, servant, or relative. A blood brother of yours, a compassionate relative, a generous supporter, a cherished friend, working extra pious deeds, love of a beautiful wife, a preventative high rank, a lofty position, a raised palace, a long shade, magnificent garments or wholesome food. There is not beside these that hinder you from jihaad and none beside these distant you from the Lord of the worshipers. By Allah! What is this from you? Oh brother! Did you not hear the words of the Most High?

"Oh you who believe what is the matter with you that when you are asked to march forward in the cause of Allah you cling heavily to the earth are you pleased with the life of this world rather than the hereafter but little is the enjoyment of the life of this world as compared with the hereafter "(At-Tauba:38)

Hearken! To that which I dictate to you of decisive evidences and listen that which I present to you of glaring proofs, so that you may learn, nothing hinders from jihaad, not even the two Holy Mosques9 and there is no reason for your delay except the lower self and the devil.

"But I fear death! "

As for your appease to distant hopes, fear of an on-slaughting life span, vigilance of death which must occur and fear of the path which must be traversed, by Allah! Verily! Bravery does not shorten the life of the brave just as refrainment does not lengthen the life of those who lag behind:

"And every nation has its appointed term when there term is reached neither an hour can they delay nor an hour can they advance." (Al A’raaf:34)

"And Allah grants respite to none when his appointed time comes and Allah is all aware of what you do."

(Al-Munaafiqoon:11)

Verily! In death there is swooning Oh tribulated one! Verily! The terror of the dying is great but you do not sense and verily! In the grave there is a punishment none is saved from it except the righteous.

Verily! In it there is the Questioning of the two tribulating angels:

"Allah will keep firm those who believe with the word that stands firm in this world and the hereafter and Allah will cause to go astray those who are wrong doers" (Ibraaheem:27)

Then after this immense danger either blessed and to the everlasting pleasure or accursed and hence to the punishment of the fire. The martyr is safe from all this, he fears not a thing from these destructors and the prophet of Allah (S.A.W) has stated: "The martyr feels not the pain of killing except like a pinch" So do not hinder Oh brother! From seizing this opportunity, and you would be protected in the grave from punishment and you would be victorious in the reckoning of Allah. Attaining an excellent return, you would be saved from the tribulation of the Questioning and that which is after it of intense fear, for the martyrs are alive with their Lord provided for, no fear upon them nor do they sadden. Happy for what Allah has bestowed upon them from his favours and they rejoice, their souls in the bodies of green birds flying freely in the highest parts of paradise. What a difference between this noble death and a painful death!

"But my relatives and wealth! "

If you say: "my relatives, wealth, children and family hamper me from jihaad", for Allah has stated words that are clear not concealed:

"and it is not your wealth nor your children that bring you nearer to us...(Saba:37)

and the Most High says:

"Beautified for men is the love of things they covet; women children much of gold silver branded beautiful horse, cattle and well tilled land. This is the pleasure of the present worlds life, but Allah has the excellent return"(Al-Imraan:14)

and the Most High says:

"Know that the life of this world is only play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting among you and rivalry in respect of wealth and children, as the likeness of vegetation after rain, thereof the growth is pleasing to the tiller, afterwards it dries up and you see it turning yellow then it becomes straw. But in the hereafter a severe torment and forgiveness from Allah and good pleasure whereas the life of this world is only a deceiving enjoyment" (Al-Hadeed:20)

"But my precious son! "

If you remember your precious son and you sympathise for him the sympathy of a compassionate father, for Allah the Most High has said:

"Your wealth and your children are only a trial whereas Allah with him is a great reward" (At-Taghaabun15)

"Oh mankind be afraid of your lord and fear a day when no father can avail ought for his son nor a son avail ought for his father, verily the promise of Allah is true, let not then this present life deceive you, nor let the chief deceiver deceive you about Allah" (Luqmaan:33)

If your child is from amongst the blessed, then you shall be joined with him in paradise and if he is of the accursed, then he shall be so from now. The people of paradise do not join with the people of the fire, nor the pious with the wicked, it maybe that Allah grants you martyrdom and you intercede for him. Your absence from him would be an endeavour to save him, so seek that which will save you from the punishment and exert yourself in it for tomorrow:

"That day shall a man flee from his brother, and from his mother and his father, and from his wife and his children. Every man that day will have enough to make him careless of others." (Abasa:34-37)

Verily! This is an immense declaration:

"...and Allah guides whom he wills to a straight path" (Al-Baqarah:213)

"But my beautiful wife! "

If you say: "it does not appease my soul, departing from my beautiful wife, my delight when she is close and my happiness from her love". Given that your wife is the most attractive of women, and the most beautiful of the people of her time, is not her beginning a despised drop? Her last a foul corpse? And between these two she is a virgin. Her menses prevent you from her for half her life, her disobedience to you is more than her obedience, if she does not wear kohl she becomes bleary eyed, if she does not adorn herself her roughness becomes apparent and if she does not comb her hair it becomes dishevelled. If she does not oil herself her radiance is extinguished, if she does not wear perfume musty is her smell, if she does not wash odorous is her odour, full of faults and quick to bore. If she advances in age she disheartens, if she grows old she becomes senile, you do your best and strive for her and she denies this if she becomes angry. As the prophet (S.A.W) has said: "If you were to do good to one of them for a lifetime then she were to notice something bad in you, she would say: I have never seen any good from you". You desire from her the foulest part of her, you fear her desertion, you fear her harshness, your love for her carries you to exhaustion and fatigue, intense misery and distress. She exposes you to the sources of destruction and you are pleased to fulfil the slightest of her whims at your destruction or that close to it. She loves you because of her needs from you, if they pass by she deserts you, she abandons you and seeks for other than you. She becomes bored with you and she makes her enmity apparent, as she says with the tongue of her condition even if she does not express it in words: "Maintain me and spend, or separate from me and divorce me!” In summary it is impossible to enjoy her except with a twist, your relationship with her will not last except with pressure and hardship. By Allah! What a wonder! How do you let love of her hamper you from reunion with one created from light? Raised in the shade of palaces with youths and maidens, in the abode of luxuries and happiness, by Allah! the blood of a martyr does not dry but that he has met her.

Know that separation from your wife eventually is a must; it is as if it has already happened and in paradise you shall be joined together if Allah wills. What best of joining places! And what is between you and her reaching there if she is of the righteous, except a time during which you must separate from her and that is death. You will find her in the hereafter more beautiful than the wide-eyed maidens by a factor that none knows except the Lord of the worlds. That which you despised in her gone, that which was evil in her vanished, her manners perfected, her creation beautified, more attractive, broad eyed, a beautiful radiant woman, virgin, cleaned from menses and bleeding, removed from her all types of impurities and her crookedness straightened. Her jubilation increased, her glow expanded, her virility enlarged and she is superior to the wide-eyed maidens like their superiority over her in this present abode. So turn away from her today for Allah’s cause, he will exchange her for you and if she is of the people of paradise then you must have her.

"But my status and lineage! "

At-Tirmithi and Ibn Hibaan report a hadeeth: "The lowest of the people of paradise, for him there is eighty thousand servants, seventy two wives, a dome is constructed for him of pearls, aquamarine and gems the size of which is the distance between Al-Jaabiyah and San’aa

Listen to the words of the Great, the Forgiver:

"...and the angels shall enter upon them from every gate, peace be upon you for that you persevered in patience, excellent indeed is the final home,"(Ar-Rad:23 24)

"But my beautiful abode! "

Oh deceived one! Seek an eternal abode, whose palaces are high, it’s light radiant, it’s rivers flowing, it’s fruit laden branches stoop low and it’s delights successive. If you ask about it’s construction, for it is of silver bricks and gold bricks, no fatigue therein by far and no tire, if you ask about it’s soil, for it is of sweet smelling musk, if you ask about it’s gravel, for it is of pearls and jewels. If you ask about its rivers, for there are rivers of milk, rivers of honey and Al Kawthar. If you ask about it’s palaces, for there is a palace of hollowed pearl, it’s height seventy miles into the air, or from green aquamarine, glistening splendidly, or from red ruby, raised it’s construction. For the believer in every corner of its corner’s, a family and servants, they do not see each other due to its vastness. If you ask about its couches, for they are lined with silk brocade, for what then is your opinion of their exterior? They are raised amongst those who are also upon couches for forty years and there is no sleep upon them or slumber, on the contrary, they recline upon them facing each other:

"But my nice food! "

If you ask about its food, for its substance is created, perpetual, it’s fruit not limited by seasons and their supply will not be cut off for the length of that station. On the contrary there will be ripen fruits:

"And fruit that they may choose, And the flesh of fowls that they desire"

(Al-Waaqia:20-21)

They shall be given to drink:

"...pure sealed wine, the last thereof will be the smell of musk, and for this let those strive who want to strive" (Al-Mutaffifeen:25-26)

"But I would like to improve my deeds first! "

If you say: "I like to delay in order to improve my deeds", for this is also a product of deception and distant hoping. By Allah! Delay of a destined life span has never been achieved:

"Oh Mankind! Verily the promise of Allah is true, so do not let this present life deceive you, and do not let the chief deceiver deceive you about Allah. Surely Satan is an enemy to you, so treat him as an enemy, he only invites his followers, that they may become the dwellers of the blazing fire"(Faatir:5-6)

By Allah! This is nothing but a snare of Iblees the accursed, it is not from the intentions of the friends of Allah, or the righteous, are not the companions of the prophet (S.A.W) and the best of those who followed them more deserving than you of this intention if you are indeed of the truthful? If they resided to delaying the life span, they would not have developed a great fear of Allah, and they would not have fought the idolaters and disbelievers, nor attack countries and lands, do you not hearken with your ears? Oh tribulated one! To the words of the Most High:

"March forth whether you are light or heavy and make jihaad with wealth and your lives in the cause of Allah. This is better for you, if you but knew"

(At-Tauba:41)

Do you not take heed? If you are indeed of the intelligent and understanding and ponder upon the words of the Most High:

"...and Allah has preferred the mujahideen above those who sit by a huge reward" (An-Nisaa:95)

The stark reality of this world

So do not become distracted Oh you! From the eternal abode, by deception with something from the chattels of this present world, for by Allah! It is not an abode of residence, neither a place of meeting nor perfection. An abode that if it makes you laugh today it makes you weep tomorrow, if it makes you happy then succeeds it’s happiness ruin, if you gather therein all the luxuries, then Allah’s wrath is quick to descend upon you. If it enriches you, it impoverishes you, if it unites it separates, if it rejoins it disperses, if it diminishes it congests, if it enriches it overburdens, if it increases it eradicates, if it constructs, it destroys, if it produces it flees, if it elevates it topples and if it becomes peaceful it oppresses.

If it’s graces prevail, it causes grief with it’s evil results, if it revitalises with it’s reunion then weaning follows it, it’s closeness is far, it’s beloved one dejected, it’s drink a mirage and it’s sweetness punishment. The abode of worries, sadness, distress, anxiety, transition, separation, wretchedness, schism, disease, fatigue, hardship and tire. It’s plenty is little, it’s noble one abased, it’s rich one poor, it’s venerable one menial, plenty of defects, full of regrets, scarce of serenity, devoid

of fulfilment, no trust in its pacts and never fulfilling it’s promises. The one who loves it is wretched, the one who desires it is mad and the one who trusts in it is shamed.

So awaken yourself! Oh you! Before destruction, free yourself from its captivity before it becomes difficult to escape. Prepare to proceed to success and happiness, maybe Allah will grant you martyrdom from his grace, so do not let hamper you from this reward, a reason from these reasons. For the one of sound assurance is he who exhibits strong resolution and the one of rational opinion is he who has a share in jihaad. He who clings to laziness and is deceived by hopes, his feet shall slip, he will regret where it will not avail him ought regret, he will gnash his teeth about that which has slipped and passed when he witnesses the martyrs in the highest most chambers of paradise:

"...and Allah says the truth and he guides the way" (Al-Ahzaab:4)

"...Allah is sufficient for us and the best disposer of our affairs"

(Al-Imraan:173)

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umm habeeba am waiting for the answer to the question i asked, also did u find out if the hadeeth was saheeh?
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Assalam aleikum Abu Dujanah

Regarding the hadith I did look in my books and couldn’t find the source. I already asked a few days ago regarding its authenticity and I asked at Sheikh Awdah’s in English so I could post the link for all to benefit. As soon as I get a response I will post it. And Jazakallah for discussing this.

Ok, regarding your question. As the article i posted confirms, Ibn Nuha’as who was an alim was of the opinion the women of the dunya will be superior to the hoor al ayn. And this is not a strange idea amongst the uelama. A while ago I was reading that Ibn Qayim was also of this opinion, and he went further and said that when the man sees his wife (of the dunya for the first time) he will look at her for 40 years. In total wonderment. AllahuAlim.

I read a lot of different books and we don’t always remember the source. And to be honest akhee I’m not that interested in spending time looking into this subject. Infact I would just be SOOO happy to get to Jannah and wouldn’t worry for what I would find! Recently as a joke I said to my husband, maybe I won’t accept you in Jannah and he said you should just worry about getting there!! Good advice.

It’s a bit like the slavegirl thread. Yes this is part of Islam, but the men shouldn’t be worrying too much for what war booty they get. Or what they are allowed to do with it. As much as they should be worrying about actually fighting. Nowadays who’s fighting? Worry about the obligations. Worry what Allah tala will ask you.

It’s a lot of talk, but in terms of our obligations doesn’t have much benefit. With respect, I enjoy your posts and I have already said this and I benefit which I’ve also said. JazakallahKhayren. But sometimes I think you go for the controversial subjects, just for that reason. And I know that you could post things of much more benefit MashAllah. For example, polygamy, slavery, mutah marriages not much benefit. Not really akhee.

I mean ok, slaves are halal in Islam. But this isn’t knowledge, this isn’t something which is going to help the ummah with day to day problems. This is just rhetoric, when our men are sleeping. That’s the problem with our men nowadays, a lot of talk and not so much action!! The proof 30,000.00 sisters raped in Bosnia alone. Forget about slave girl what about our muslims girls?!

The sahaba didn’t speak they acted.

And maybe I'm wrong in my understanding but talking of slave girls and hoor al ayn when our ummah is in this state seems a bit empty. AllahuAlim.

And i hope Inshallah i haven't offended you. Wallahi that is not my intention. I'm not addressing this as anything personal. Its just that this talk is VERY COMMON amongst brothers. And then sisters start dwelling on this hoor al ayn issue and then they get defensive. And I've even heard sisters question the Justice of Allah tala in this subject AuthooBillah. And is it relevant to us ? No. Even if we were not to find ourselves superior, would not perfection be enough?

Wouldn't just getting to Jannah be enough?

Assalam aleikum

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Walaykum Salaam

Allhamdulillah your right, and so true in what you said. Jazakullah Khair.

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Quote:<i>Originally posted by UmmHabibah </i>It’s a lot of talk, but in terms of our obligations doesn’t have much benefit. With respect, I enjoy your posts and I have already said this and I benefit which I’ve also said. JazakallahKhayren. But sometimes I think you go for the controversial subjects, just for that reason. And I know that you could post things of much more benefit MashAllah. For example, polygamy, slavery, mutah marriages not much benefit. Not really akhee

I much agree on that too, Abu has much potential, he can just devote it where it bears real fruit ameen

And maybe I'm wrong in my understanding but talking of slave girls and hoor al ayn when our ummah is in this state seems a bit empty. AllahuAlim.  

Wouldn't just getting to Jannah be enough?

Assalam aleikum [/b]
as salam alykom

Alhamdulelah, may be Abu takes such opinions only from u Ummhabiba

but at least someone else said it and both of you agreed on it as u always do. Alhamdulelah, this what we were trying to do looooonnnnnggggg time ago dear sister

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Assalam aleikum

JazakallahKharyen Abu Dujanah [Image: smile.gif]

This is the reply i got regarding the hadith.

Question: Assalam aleikum Could you please tell me authenticity of this hadith. I thought it may be dae'ef? But couldn't find the source.

A man came to the Prophet and said i will accept Islam but i will continue to commit zina. So the Prophet sws said, would you accept this for your mother? the man said no. He sws said would you accept this for your sister ? the man said no. He sws said would you accept this for your daughter the man said no. So the prophet sws said, so how can you accept this for yourself? And JazakallahKharyen for all your efforts.

<b>Answered by the Fatwâ Department Research Committee of IslamToday.net chaired by Sheikh `Abd al-Wahhâb al-Turayrî</b>

A young man once came to our Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: “O, Messenger of Allah give me a permission to commit fornication.”

The Companions were angry with the way that young man who dared to ask such a thing from the Prophet (peace be upon him), but the Prophet (peace be upon him) did not grow angry and immediately asked him: “Would you like a man to fornicate with your mother?”

The young man replied: “No.”

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Hence other people do not like it for their mothers. Would you like it for your daughter?”

The man said: “No.”

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Hence people do not like it for their daughters? ....”

[Related by Ahmad with authentic line of transmission]

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