Family 'proud' of suicide bomber

[Purgetroy]

So generally as i said we are not allowed to kill women, children, old men and women etc........But for every principle are exceptions.

i wouldnt say that for every principle there are exceptions. the thing about killing women and children is only when you are forced to do so, UNFORTUNATLY. you should not take pride in doing it. you should always look at the choices you have and take the one were you dont have to kill any civilian. if you dont have any choices, then its ok, regretably.

Also the Hadeeth you quoted about slaves, where is the prohibition????

slavery was wide spread and customised. you cant bann it all at once. just look at what happened in the US when they tryed to bann slavery all at once. now you have groups like the KKK.

Allah wanted to remove slavery from the society in a fading to black movement. why else do you think that its so rewardable to free a slave or for alot of sins, the way to repent is to free slaves?

The following quote is from a site that has been blocked by the Saudi government. Dont ask me why, that site has been a great source of truthful information straight from the Qoran and Hadith and has been built by a converted catholic priest i believe.

www.answering-christianity.com

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: \"When the slave of anyone amongst you prepares food for him and he serves him after having sat close to (and undergoing the hardship of) heat and smoke, he should make him (the slave) sit along with him and make him eat (along with him), and if the food seems to run short, then he should spare some portion for him (from his own share) - (another narrator) Dawud said:\" i. e. a morsel or two\". 4097.   (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Oaths (Kitab Al-Aiman), Book 015, Number 4096)\"  Narrated Al-Ma'rur: \"At Ar-Rabadha I met Abu Dhar who was wearing a cloak, and his slave, too, was wearing a similar one. I asked about the reason for it. He replied, \"I abused a person by calling his mother with bad names.\" The Prophet said to me, 'O Abu Dhar! Did you abuse him by calling his mother with bad names You still have some characteristics of ignorance. Your slaves are your brothers and Allah has put them under your command. So whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help them.'  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Belief, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 29)\"  

Narrated Anas: \"The Prophet said, 'None of you will have faith till he wishes for his (Muslim) brother [this includes slaves, since a slave is considered a brother as shown above] what he likes for himself.'  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Belief, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 12)\"  

Narrated Abu Musa: \"Some people asked Allah's Apostle, 'Whose Islam is the best? i.e. (Who is a  very good Muslim)?' He replied, 'One who avoids harming the Muslims with his tongue and hands.'  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Belief, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 10)\"  

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr: \"A man asked the Prophet, 'What sort of deeds or (what qualities of) Islam are good?' The Prophet replied, 'To feed (the poor) and greet those whom you know and those whom you do not Know.'  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Belief, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 11)\"  

 

The Liberation of Slaves in Islam:

The reason why Muslims had slaves is because when Islam was still weak and growing, the Arab Pagans' tribes used to launch continuous attacks on the Muslims to destroy Islam once and for all.  Muslims had entered many bloody and vicious battles against the non believers which had cost both sides many lives from the men.  When the Muslims used to enter a city after defeating its army, they would face a new dilemma.  They often meet hundreds of non believing women and young children and elderly left without any support because their men had died in the battle field.

For this reason, Allah Almighty allowed for the Muslims to take those people as slaves to help them survive.  Keep in mind that during that time, the Muslims didn't have an Islamic government and welfare system to take care of the orphans and widows from the non believers.  The Muslims had to take care of them from their own means.  

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him ordered the Muslims to be very sensitive to their slaves.  He ordered the Muslims to buy the slave young boys and girls the same quality of clothes and gifts that they would buy for their children.  He also ordered Muslims not to hit or be violent to adult slaves.  He ordered Muslims to be loving and caring for them.  

Prophet Muhammad also urged wealthy Muslims to buy slaves from the Pagan Arabs and to let them free after that.  One of Prophet Muhammad's best friends was a slave from Africa called Bilal Al-Habashi.  Bilal was bought from his Pagan master by Abu Baker Al-Siddeek, one of Muhammad's best friends.  After Abu Baker bought Bilal, he set him free.

Islam as I mentioned in the introduction came to fight slavery.  Allah Almighty ordered the Muslims to gradually liberate slaves and to give them their freedom in many cases.

Let us look at Noble Verse 4:92 \"Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due): If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance to God: for God hath all knowledge and all wisdom.\"  In this Noble Verse, we see that Allah Almighty ordered to free a believing slave if a Muslim accidentally kills another Muslim.  This Noble Verse came to encourage Muslims to liberate slaves.

Let us look at Noble Verse 5:89 \"God will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth God make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful.\"  This Noble Verse is also another proof that Allah Almighty did encourage Muslims to liberate slaves.  

Let us look at Noble Verse 58:3 \"But those who divorce their wives by Zihar, then wish to go back on the words they uttered, (It is ordained that such a one) should free a slave before they touch each other: Thus are ye admonished to perform: and God is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do.\"   This Noble Verse is another proof that Allah Almighty did encourage Muslims to liberate slaves.  

Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari:  \"The Prophet said, \"Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom).\"  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)\"  

Narrated Asma: \"No doubt the Prophet ordered people to manumit slaves during the solar eclipse.  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Eclipses, Volume 2, Book 18, Number 163)\"  

\"'Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that 'Umar b. Khattab asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as he was at ji'rana (a town near Mecca) on his way back from Ta'if: Messenger of Allah, I had taken a vow during the days of Ignorance that I would observe I'tikaf for one day in the Sacred Mosque. So what is your opinion? He said: Go and observe I'tikaf for a day. And Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) gave him a slave girl out of the one-fifth (of the spoils of war meant for the Holy Prophet). And when Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) set the war prisoners free. 'Umar b. Khattab heard their voice as they were saying: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) has set us free. He (Hadrat 'Umar) said: What is this? They said: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) has set free the prisoners of war (which had fallen to the lot of people). Thereupon he (Hadrat 'Umar) said: Abdullah, go to that slave-girl and set her free.  (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Oaths (Kitab Al-Aiman), Book 015, Number 4074)\"  

 

If a Muslim beats his slave or slaps him on the face, then he must set him free:

\"Zadhan reported that Ibn Umar called his slave and he found the marks (of beating) upon his back. He said to him: I have caused you pain. He said: No. But he (Ibn Umar) said: You are free. He then took hold of something from the earth and said: There is no reward for me even to the weight equal to it. I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who beats a slave without cognizable offence of his or slaps him, then expiation for it is that he should set him free.   (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Oaths (Kitab Al-Aiman), Book 015, Number 4079)\"  

\"Abu Mas'ud reported that he had been beating his slave and he had been saying: \"I seek refuge with Allah, but he continued beating him, whereupon he said: I seek refuge with Allah's Messenger, and he spared him. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: By Allah, God has more dominance over you than you have over him (the slave). He said that he set him free. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Shu'ba with the same chain of transmitters, but made no mention of (these words) of his: I seek refuge with Allah, I seek refuge with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him).  (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Oaths (Kitab Al-Aiman), Book 015, Number 4089)\"  

 

More on freeing slaves:

Narrated Salamah ibn Sakhr al-Bayadi: \"I was a man who was more given than others to sexual intercourse with women. When the month of Ramadan came, I feared lest I should have intercourse with my wife, and this evil should remain with me till the morning. So I made my wife like my mother's back to me till the end of Ramadan. But one night when she was waiting upon me, something of her was revealed. Suddenly I jumped upon her. When the morning came I went to my people and informed them about this matter.  I said: Go along with me to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).   They said: No, by Allah. So I went to the Prophet (peace be upon him and informed him of the matter.  He said: Have you really committed it, Salamah? I said: I committed it twice, Apostle of Allah. I am content with the Commandment of Allah, the Exalted; so take a decision about me according to what Allah has shown you.  He said: Free a slave. I said: By Him Who sent you with truth, I do not possess a neck other than this: and I struck the surface of my neck.  He said: Then fast two consecutive months. I said: Whatever I suffered is due to fasting.  He said: Feed sixty poor people with a wasq of dates.  I said: By Him Who sent you with truth, we passed the night hungry; there was no food in our house.  He said: Then go to the collector of sadaqah of Banu Zurayq; he must give it to you. Then feed sixty poor people with a wasq of dates; and you and your family eat the remaining dates. Then I came back to my people, and said (to them): I found with you poverty and bad opinion; and I found with the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) prosperity and good opinion. He has commanded me to give alms to you.  Ibn al-Ala' added: Ibn Idris said: Bayadah is a sub-clan of Banu Zurayq.  (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2207)\"

Narrated Khuwaylah, daughter of Malik ibn Tha'labah: \"My husband, Aws ibn as-Samit, pronounced the words: You are like my mother. So I came to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), complaining to him about my husband.  The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) disputed with me and said: Remain dutiful to Allah; he is your cousin.  I continued (complaining) until the Qur'anic verse came down: \"Allah hath heard the words of her who disputeth with thee concerning her husband....\" till the prescription of expiation.  He then said: He should set free a slave. She said: He cannot afford it. He said: He should fast for two consecutive months. She said: Apostle of Allah, he is an old man; he cannot keep fasts. He said: He should feed sixty poor people. She said: He has nothing which he may give in alms. At that moment an araq (i.e. date-basket holding fifteen or sixteen sa's) was brought to him.  I said: I shall help him with another date-basked ('araq). He said: You have done well. Go and feed sixty poor people on his behalf, and return to your cousin. The narrator said: An araq holds sixty sa's of dates.  (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2208)\"

There are a lot more Noble Verses from the Noble Quran and Sayings from our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him that push for freeing of slaves.  The Islamic attitude toward slaves is very clear and straight forward:  All slaves are eventually to be freed!  And they were all freed during the times of Islam from the Judeo-Christian and Pagan slavery.

[Abu Dujanah]

Did you get the Sharh of the Hadeeth as i asked you before?

Is that your evidance that its Haraam?

Simple questions, answer yes or no.

Hope thats not to much to ask for

[Purgetroy]

Did you get the Sharh of it i.e from Fath Al-Bari etc?

who's Fath Al-Bari?

Is that your evidance that its Haraam?Simple questions, answer yes or no.

whats the point of asking? you didnt read my post in this short time have you?

it is not Haraam. It is unliked I believe. God wanted to remove it not only from the society, but from human thinking as well. thats why He used the slow fading approch I believe.

[Abu Dujanah]

Fath al-Bari is the explanation/commentary of Saheeh Bukharee, its was explained by Imam Hajar Asqalani.

So now its disliked, according to you?

or a Scholar?

[Muslimah]

as salam alykom

let me step here for a moment.

Now just to try and settly things, brother Abu, scholars differed about the status of 11/9 whether or not it is jihad to start with, most importantly is the hot debate about the truth behind who did it. So I prefer that we simply dont brag about it or take pride in it. Using your same quotes that women and children will be only killed if mixed among a fighting army or by mistake makes it in total violation of jihad rules. Abu, no muslim is unaware of what is happening to muslims, and Purgetroy, we have rules regarding who to love or befreinds with and who are not.

Abu we all know the situation of muslims around the world and it is just making the Quran and hadeeth proven correct nothing more.

again as for Jihad, we can not just call any act as jihad out of enthusiam.

Purgetroy, martyrdom bombins also received much attention from scholars with difference of opinions about its legitimacy.

see girls are doing in it in Palestine and scholars studied it giving different fatwas between martyrdom or suicide.

See things which are like this are better just left for the judgement of Allah

We are simply encouraged not to judge.

[Abu Dujanah]

as-Salaamu 3alaykum

Purgetroy please refer to this http://www.islamsms.com/bb/showthread....d=4707#post4707

Muslimah, yes there are differance of opinons regarding the issue of 9/11, your right there, i seen both views and im of the opinion thats its a good thing, you have to remember after 9/11, 100's of people become muslims, there were other benefits offcourse like, targeting the financial institutions of the kuffar etc etc. There were many benefits. The Mujahideen have outlined them.

Anyways that was in the past, may Allah give victory to the Mujahideen. Ameen

[Purgetroy]

yes there are differance of opinons regarding the issue of 9/11, your right there, i seen both views...

ok, i stoped reading there cause i know whats to come is complete nonsense. you never saw both views. the only view you see is the black and black view. you never see anything else.

I wasnt planning on getting mad but I cant believe there are still people like you that exist! and within our own ranks! I swear if I wasnt a muslim I would have never thought of being one ever after reading your sick posts. you know whats your alternative in Christianity? A white protestant who believes that all white American Protestants are superiour to the rest of humanity. You know what these people are? the Ku Klux Klan.

to the moderator who is about to edit my post: all what i want is for him to read it and look at what he is.

we've already discussed slavery. you couldnt say anything more at the other topic so you start another one with the same all over again. how stuborn can one get?Purgetroy: I am not ready to keep cleaning after both of u. we must abide by Islam we talking to each other and to non Muslims pls

[Abu Dujanah]

You have shown your true colours, where are my sick posts that you are screaming and babbling about?????

I wont reply to your comments becuase i wont sink to your level.........

[Muslimah]

as salam alykom

although for several reasons i was relcutant to respond to u Abu, but, didnt it occur to u that Allah simly pointed back مكر makr (cunning) of whoever did the 11/9 to their necks. I think Allah a`alem of course, that whoever did it meant to undermine Islam, where as Allah turned table making people investigate more about it. My point was simply if we applied the hadeeth u quoted, jihad shall not be applicable on the case of 11/9 or am I understanding the hadeeth wrongly.

Abu, jihad is something so sacred, we all wish we could attain the level of jihad most importantly jihad an nafs as to how far we control our ego and anger, how far we do things only for Allah, not to attain personal credit. And certainly we all wish to be part of Afganistan, Chenchnya, Plaestine or other Muslim hot areas to simply attain shahadah. But just we must do it right.

[Muslimah]

as salam alykom Pergetroy

as far as I remember, u were once surprised for a member who attaced another member who was trying to propagate Sufism on this board. And u precisely told him do u want to slap her for being a sufi.

All what Abu Dujanah is doing is simply expressing his own opinion. We can not call him names for being pro jihad, may be in the wrong concept. All what we can do is simply steer a healthy conversation, answer back nicely if we dont agree.

Purg. we are all muslims, dont forget that. I am so sorry to see the status of Ummah. We simply get angry and annoyed, just ponder on situations which all Prophets and Messengers faced

I always fear to let my anger even towards non Muslims grow or lose hope when I think of Yunus who, just because he lost hope, and walked out of the city, thrown in the whale's tummy

Abu and Purge. we not want to end up in a whale's tummy do we.

so just calm down.

we are calling for Allah, the All Knowing, Merciful

Eid mubarak all