Family 'proud' of suicide bomber

[Abu Dujanah]

The ‘Allāmah, Ibn Hazm (d. 456 H) – rahimahullāh – said in al-Muhallā (5/419): "The Most High said:

وَأَعِدُّواْلَهُممَّااسْتَطَعْتُممِّنقُوَّةٍوَمِنرِّبَاطِالْخَيْلِتُرْهِبُونَبِهِعَدْوَّاللّهِوَعَدُوَّكُمْ

And prepare for them what you can of power and steeds of war by which you may the enemy of Allāh and your enemy. [sūrah al-Anfāl (8):60]

So He made terrorizing them an obligation upon us. Therefore, whoever assisted them with what is carried to them then he has not terrorized them. Nay, he has assisted them in sin and transgression.

[Purgetroy]

first of all, yes I am a muslim.

secondly, saying that they started first is childs play. if they murdered our children, we dont go and murder theirs. God never said that. the verse you gave says that we should be ready for war. it doesnt say anything about terrorising them.

[Soledad]

I love Martyrdom Operations.Got Problem?????

Please define for me what it is a Martyrdom Operations and if what is going on in Iraq right now are suicide bombers for you or Martyrdom Operations.

secondly, who are the suicide bombers attacking? the invading army? no. they are attacking civilians. women, children, handicapped people and unarmed men....now look at yourself and tell me how brave you are. tell me how proud Allah is of you after you did that.

Purge, I totally agree with you. I don't think Allah can feel good about this at all. I just joined but speaking with several Muslims I have the impression that not all of them feel the same way about the same subject of suicide bombers. Am I right?. Some they openly agree with it and say is Allah's will and other say that whoever kill innocent people are not Muslims. So what's the 'official' position of the Islam about this?.

Secondly our targets are the criminals!

So tell me what's the crime that a person committed who was eating peacefully in a restaurant with his/her family and they die just because a guy entered with a bomb and killed everybody? Please be specific about the crime this people committed.

we all want to die for our religion.

Just a question...isn't better to live for our religions than to die for it?

we want to die with the blood of the invaders. what did the people in the restaurant do? have a different faith?

Sometimes the victims are not even jews or muslims, sometimes they are tourist that have nothing to do with this whole issue. Isn't one innocent life important for Allah?.

Do you really want me to present the evidance?????

I don't know about Purge, but I'm all ears...

Secondly define the word innocent, who is an innocent person to you???What did the children of Iraq do?

You're right about Iraqi children being victims of this terrible 'war' in Iraq. But it doesn't mean that because of that, the rest of the civilians that are being killed are not victims. They are victims also, if they want to attack somebody why they don't attack directly the US forces? why enter to a restaurant when they KNOW innocent people will be eating peacefully....if that's not terror for you, define terrorism then.

[Abu Dujanah]

First of all, it was only a question regarding the Iraqi children, i have not received any answers yet.

I never said u killed them so we will kill urs. I never even implied that, i was just merly asking a question. What was there crime???? Why isnt your so called 'CIVILISED SOCIETY' calling this terrorism???? Oh yeah you have CNN to tell you what is terrorism and what isnt.

Secondly i will post the evidance regarding Martyrdom Operations in another thread becuase the proof are many, and it will take too much space here.

What happpened in usa (9/11) are Martyrdom Operations.

And who told you that the Mujahideen are not attacking the US FORCES?????? They are attacking them day by day,

[Abu Dujanah]

The evidance is present on this thread http://www.islamsms.com/bb/showthread....s=&threadid=971

In Saheeh Mawaarid ath-Thimaan for ash-Shaykh al-Albaani, (published after his death) 'alayhi rahmatullah, he says in volume two, page 119, after explaining the popular hadeeth of Abi Ayoob, regarding the saying of Allah tabaraka wa ta'ala: walaa tulqoo bi aydiykum ilat-tahlukah, he said, paraphrasing:

"And in this popular story is evidence for what is known today as 'suicide operations', which some of the youth of Islaam go about doing to the enemies of Allah, but for this act [to be permissable] are certain conditions, and from the most important of them: For this action to be solely done for the face of Allah and to give victory to the religion of Allah, not for showing off, or repuation, or bravery, or being depressed from life".

So praise be to ar-Rahman ar-Raheem.

- Abu Dujanah.

[Abu Dujanah]

Assalamu 'alaykum,

The hadeeth goes to say that there were brothers fighting the Romans, and they were martyred, because they penetrated into the forces of the enemy. So some of the mujahideen said: "Oh these people have forced destruction upon themselves by their own hands" so basically Abu Ayoob said: "Verily, this ayah was revealed in our presence, the Ansaar" and he corrected their understanding by saying that the one who doesn't participate in the Jihaad and the one who isn't killed, the one who remains amongst his family, and his wealth and whatever else is beloved to him - he is the one who has caused destruction upon himself.

- Abu Dujanah.

[Soledad]

I never said u killed them so we will kill urs. I never even implied that, i was just merly asking a question

Never implied that? you must be kidding

Why isnt your so called 'CIVILISED SOCIETY' calling this terrorism???? Oh yeah you have CNN to tell you what is terrorism and what isnt.

Your comments sound very ignorant. I have never implied that my society is more civilized than the one you live in. First of all, let me clarify this so you don't sound foolish. I'm not an US citizen and I don't support the so called 'war against terrorism' at least not in the same way Pres. Bush sees it. I'm from Argentina and I have no sides on this issue but come on, common sense is common sense, you cannot say that what happened in 9/11 were Martyrdom Operations and expect me to believe that the Islam believes it because I don't. This is your interpretation of it and that's why some people have such a hard time understading the Islam but you see? I live in a country in the Caribbean where we have a big amount of Muslims so I know how they're, how great people they are, so your interpretation is just that, your opinion, I cannot even consider it as part of your religion since your religion doesn't teach you such a thing. So maybe you should consider what kind of representation you're being of Islam?.

Oh yeah you have CNN to tell you what is terrorism and what isnt.

You see, you're full of assumptions and few facts. I'm a journalist myself and CNN is the TV channel less credible in my opinion...but you assumed I believed on it *shaking head* ask first...ask...

And who told you that the Mujahideen are not attacking the US FORCES?????? They are attacking them day by day,

Yes they are but they're also attacking restaurants and innocent civilians or did you forget that part? because I saw you have not answered my first post when I asked you to please detail me what crime these people have committed. You failed in answering it, therefore, before giving statements of such a nature, you should be prepare to answer them instead of throwing non-sense statements.

Thanks for the link. I checked the thread and I have not seen not even ONE part of the Quran that accepts the killing of innocent people. All the ones you posted are just a mere twist interpretation of what the sacred Allah tried to say maybe you should define who is the enemy that the Quran refers too? I wonder where small children fit in this category?.

By the way, all the quotes you posted in this thread are from the Quran? because if they're just the opinion of other loyal Muslims are just that, opinions. I'm only interested in what the Quran say about it.

Lastly, I don't come here to defend nobody or to fight against nobody so when you post, be sensitive to other's people feelings...in other words 'Calm down please'

[Abu Dujanah]

Stop being all defensive

When i said you i meant you kaffirs i,e ur disbelieving nations.

I suggest you read the Quran

And study the Seerah of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (saw).

Im a Muslim and i believe in Jihad, got a problem with that???

Your disbelieving nations allow two men to cohabit with each other and you dont recognize this as a sin much less to punish them for this filty act .....So why are you telling me what is Islam and what isnt???

[Abu Dujanah]

And Allaah’s Messenger, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa Sallam, prohibited us from killing women in war, and it is a prohibition connected with a clear and apparent reason, that they are not fighters. For Allaah’s Messenger, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa Sallam, passed by women who were killed in some of his battles, and he said (She did not fight). Then he, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa Sallam, prohibited killing their women.

But Now, their women are soldiers, fighting with their males side by side, and those who are not soldiers are she-males (acting like men), they fire at the Muslims without any restraint nor determent. So killing them is Halaal, neigh Waajib, for defending the Religion, lives, and country, except in the case of a weakling woman, not capable of anything.

The same also applies to their pre-pubescent young. And regarding the weak and sick elderly, whoever fights or aggresses amongst them is killed. And whoever does not, then none should harm them, except that they and the women may be taken as captives. And we will mention the rulings on captives, In Shaa’ Allaah.

And we said “It is Waajib upon each Muslim, anywhere in the world, to wage war against them and to kill them, wherever they are, whether they are civilians or military.” We said this meaning every letter of that sentence’s implications. So wherever the Muslim is, and whatever ethnicity or nationality he may have, then it is obligatory upon him just as it is obligatory upon us in Egypt and Sudan. Even the British Muslims in their lands [britain], if they are really Muslims, it is obligatory upon them just as it is obligatory upon other Muslims, as much as they are capable of doing. And if they are incapable, then Hijrah becomes obligatory upon them away from the enemies’ lands, or any land where they are not capable of waging war against the enemy as Allaah Has Commanded them.

For Islaam is one nationality, if we use modern terms, and it shuts off the ethnic and national differences amongst its followers, as Allaah Ta3aalaa Says {And this Ummah of yours is one Ummah} (al-Mu’minoon v. 52)

[Soledad]

When i said you i meant you kaffirs i,e ur disbelieving nations.

Just because I'm from another religion, it doesn't mean I am a 'disbeliever' I think sounds so self-righteous.

Your disbelieving nations allow two men to cohabit with each other and you dont recognize this as a sin much less to punish them for this filty act .....So why are you telling me what is Islam and what isnt???

You need to stop stereotyping because then you cannot blame others when they stereotype Muslims. So if you're speaking to me then you should have the common sense to ask me first my religion, not assume that just because I am not a Muslim or live in Muslim country I will allow or agree in fornication for instance. I have very strong religion standards also. So like I said before, ask first..ask...ask...ask...not assume! If you want to speak in 'general' don't do it with me because just because I live in what you call a 'disbelieve nation' it doesn't make me one. Also you could read the Quran 10000 times, it doesn't mean that you have a good interpretation of it. Hundreds of people read the Bible every day and we have tons of so called 'Christian Religions' in this world...so just because you said you're a Muslim and read the Quran, it doesn't mean you're interpreting the words of Allah in a good light.

“It is Waajib upon each Muslim, anywhere in the world, to wage war against them and to kill them, wherever they are, whether they are civilians or military.” We said this meaning every letter of that sentence’s implications.

So you're saying here the Islam supports murder then, because there is NO WAY you can explain me that a innocent child sitting down on a car with his parents is killed by a suicide bomber is GUILTY of something!!!! Please!!!!! expand yourself more in this last statement please!.