Liberal Muslims

[Guest]

<i>Originally posted by Brother Todd </i><b>So why is it used in the USA??? </b>

The telephone was invented by Alexander Graham Bell, also a Scotsman, from my home town of Edinburgh. Although developed in the USA, the telephone is used all around the world. :cool:

What was the point of your question again ?

[Ahmed Abdullah]

Sorry, I guess we were thinking different things. I just said that the King James version is widely used and you pointed out that is was sanctioned by King James of Scotland. I thought maybe you were saying that it only is for use for the people in Scotland. I work long hours and I was tired at the time. So anyways PEACE!

[Guest]

<i>Originally posted by Brother Todd </i><b>Sorry, I guess we were thinking different things.  I just said that the King James version is widely used and you pointed out that is was sanctioned by King James of Scotland.  I thought maybe you were saying that it only is for use for the people in Scotland.  I work long hours and I was tired at the time.  So anyways PEACE!</b>

No need to apoligise BrotherTodd. I am like a laid back cat, Dude.

I just thought we were all playing trivia !! James was responsible for having the bible translated from latin to English.

Also, the television was invented by a Scotsman !! :cool:

[MichelleSeeking]

Brother Todd, the King James Version of the Bible is not the translation used by the Catholic Church. It is missing 7 books and is full of errors. We use translations like the New American Bible, Revised Standard Version, and the Douay-Rheims and the Latin Vulgate. The King James Version was put out in 1611 in response to the Protestant Reformation that was revolting against the Catholic Church.

King James was not the one that was responsible for translating the Bible from Latin into English. He came at the end of a long list of people that had been translating the Bible (or sections of the Bible) into the ever-evolving "English" language.

Caedmon, who was a monk of Whitby, paraphrased most of the Bible into the common language.

St. Bede the Venerable also translated parts of the Bible into the language of the common British people in the 8th century. In 735 he translated the Gospel of St. John before he died.

Bishop Eadhelm, Guthlac and Bishop Egbert worked on Saxon Bibles around this same time frame.

During the 9th and 10th centuries, King Alfred the Great and Archbishop Aelfric worked on Anglo-Saxon (Old English) translations.

After the Norman conquest of 1066 the Catholic Church produced several translations (e.g. Salus Animae) into Anglo-Norman in 1250.

In 1582 the famous Douay-Rheims New Testament translation was completed, while the Old Testament was finished in 1609.

The Douay-Rheims New Testament influenced the King James version of the Bible. King James did not translate his version "from scratch" as many believe.

The invention of the Printing Press, by a Catholic named Johannes Gutenberg, in 1450 enabled the Bible to finally be available to the general public. The first book that Johannes printed was the Catholic Bible, complete with the books that are missing from the Protestant bible.

Many Protestant Christians claim that the Catholic Church kept the Bible "hidden from the public" by keeping it "locked up" in Latin. But remember, anyone that could read their own language could also read Latin back then. Martin Luther was not the first person to translate the Bible into the vernacular. Many German editions already existed. The King James Version, a Protestant Bible, came at the tail end of an already dynamic effort to translate the Bible into the many tongues of the World.

I myself would warn Muslims against using Bibles that are missing books and have errors in them - like the KJV. They are deffinately corrupted by human hands.

"Latin Vulgate" = St. Jerome translated the Bible Latin back when Latin was the language of the people. This Bible is the "Latin Vulgate". Even after a thousand years, Latin still remained the universal language in Europe so nothing was being hidden from anyone.

[Guest]

King James is accredited with the commisioning of the translation of the bible into a single English version, the first of its kind. I am not trying to imply that he single handedly translated it himself.

The truth of the matter, the Bible and the Qu'ran would make Hans Christian Anderson very, very proud.

[SisterJennifer]

<i>Originally posted by MichelleSeeking </i><b>Brother Todd, the King James Version of the Bible is not the translation used by the Catholic Church.  It is missing 7 books and is full of errors.  </b>

Hi Michelle,

When did the Catholic Church stop using it? When we left the Church just over a couple years ago this was still the one being used in both the church and the schools in our diocease, and in the neighboring one. Do you know if this is a resent change?

Sorry I know that is off topic. What you said made me curious.

[MichelleSeeking]

Are you sure your Parish and schools were using the King James Version?? This is a Protestant Bible and it is missing 7 books. I don't understand why a Catholic church would use a Protestant Bible with stuff missing from it. That just doesn't make sense. Since the 70's the Church has been using the New American Bible for the Mass readings and education. Another version that we Catholics use is the Revised Standard Version. I've never seen the King James Version being used in a Catholic church/Parish/school thus far. I'm not saying your church didn't use the KJV. I'm just totally stumped as to why they would. It's not a Catholic bible. I've known of some Parishes to mess up and use Protestant bibles (like the NIV) but they are the minority and are making a mistake because these bibles are incomplete.

[SisterJennifer]

Yes, I am positive that is what we used. I am looking at the copy they gave me for use in our Bible study, and it says "The contemporary English Version Of the King James Bible." Published by the American Bible Society. If it helps any my husband was a lutheran and he said this one was slightly different than the one he remembered. Well, now we are both perplexed. :confused: Anyway, no big deal. Thanks for answering my question Michelle.

[SisterJennifer]

Hi again Michelle,

I don't want you to have the impression that I want to debate or something. You just interested me with some things. Maybe the differences are regional. It could be a number of things I'm sure. It's not really an issue for me, and I don't want you to feel as though you need to defend your faith or anything. So please forgive me if I made you feel that way, it is not my intention.

Peace,



Jennifer

[MichelleSeeking]

You didn't make me feel defensive. Like you said, we are both perplexed. I'm very upset at some of the things that take place within Catholic Parishes and how they confuse people and leave people angry, lost, or even unable to explain why they are Catholic. There was a lot of damage done over the past 30 years but thank God my generation is saying, "ENOUGH!" and stepping in and shoring things up again.

I guess we got a dose of "liberal" Catholics - liberals are everywhere hahaha!