The Fetus Rights in Islam

[Faith Hope Charity]

<b>May the love of God the Father, the grace of His only Son, & the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you!</b>

Oh com on!! Jesus was <b>begging "his God" </b> to let the cup pass away from him, <b>Jesus did not have the power </b> to will it for himself and make the cup pass away from Jesus. it does not sound to me like somebody willingly going to die for your sins.

You always manage to choose my favourite passages... & you never fail to take them out of context ;) Whoever taught you Scripture should be sued - hehe! If you read the next few verses, it'll all make sense. If afterwards you need more clarification, I'm only an entry away :)


Guess what? I met a beautiful Persian girl today (a true Christmas blessing) who recently converted from Islam to Catholicism. She told me that it took her 2 long years to understand the doctrines of the Blessed Trinity & the Incarnation. Now she doesn't know how she ever lived without them!


My point is... I can't explain these mysteries to you in such a short period of time but I will interpret biblical texts for you & InshaAllah down the track you'll be able to piece the puzzle together :)

The Pope is only a human being, he is not better than any other human being.

I never said he was :conf06:

Yes, I am not saying that the unborn does not exist; I am saying that in Islam if the mother is going to die by delivering her baby, then abortion is allowed. Now you disagree on this, we totally respect your view.

Can we please drop the subject? I'm getting too emotional :(

As a personal opinion I will totally respect, but that doesn’t mean that you are right.

You're absolutely spot-on!


You know what? I used to be open to the idea of marrying a Muslim but now I'm having second thoughts :blink: I'm scared he'll divorce me or request that I abort our baby :o Allah forbid!


Peace my friend :peace:

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:

You always manage to choose my favourite passages... & you never fail to take them out of context ;)

Are you kidding? It’s not my intention to play games with you; this is how I understand the passages, maybe because <i>“I was not blessed with the gift”</i> so am not going ever to understand. :blink:

Guess what? I met a beautiful Persian girl today (a true Christmas blessing) who recently converted from Islam to Catholicism. She told me that it took her 2 long years to understand the doctrines of the Blessed Trinity & the Incarnation. Now she doesn't know how she ever lived without them!

Was this supposed to be a surprise? I’ve been meeting hundreds of Catholics who, by Allah’s guidance were all reverted to Islam, amongst them are priests and nuns ,<b> sister Sally is one of the nuns who reverted to Islam and she even posted her story on this board sometimes ago</b>. All of these people who lived as Catholics for many years (<b>not only 2 years</b>) suffered to understand the concept of Trinity and the incarnation of God, and Alhamduelah they finally found their answers in the house of Islam.

Can we please drop the subject? I'm getting too emotional

Ok.

You know what? I used to be open to the idea of marrying a Muslim but now I'm having second thoughts I'm scared he'll divorce me or request that I abort our baby Allah forbid!

You know what? all this time I thought you were a man hehehe… :D


My wife was a devoted catholic and yet she lived with me for more than 2 years as Catholic and there was no problem between us at all, we respected each other faiths, but Islam does make sense to her at the end. Alhamdulelah.


you may read her story here if you wish: Impressed by Islamic Prayer; A Filipina Finds Her Way Home


Salam


Wael.

[Faith Hope Charity]

Salam Wael!

My wife was a devoted catholic and ... Islam does make sense to her at the end. Alhamdulelah.

My kindest regards to your wife :)


Wael, I don't have a problem with Catholics converting to Islam if it brings them closer to God, but it does bug me that most of them leave the Church due to false perceptions (about the faith).

she gave away all her images of Jesus, Mary, and the cross and decided not to worship them anymore.

As I've stated previously, worshiping anything or anyone besides God is a violation of the 1st Commandment & a grave sin.

opened my mind and made me aware God is really One and Unique in His attributes

Islam affirms Catholic dogma in this respect.

I was born into a very traditional Catholic family that observes and practices all kinds of innovations that are not even related to the real teachings of the Bible

Innovations??? The correct term is "piety". Nothing Catholics practice is contrary to the Bible. Everything the Church encourages (Rosary, Novenas, Scapula, Feast Days, e.t.c.) are devotions inspired by Scripture & lead us to God. They are optional & in no way obligatory.

this "One God" is sometimes called Jesus, and at other times, the Father. This was a bit confusing for me

This is confusing for a lot of people. Don't walk away from it just because you don't completely understand it.

in Islam, everyone will be accountable and responsible for their own sins; whereas in Christianity, Jesus has already paid for everyone's sins

Both statements are true & go hand in hand. Jesus died for our sins & gave us the means to overcome evil but that doesn't mean that we have a free ticket to Heaven. We sow what we reap.

I told myself that this was the right way to pray — kneeling and bowing down before God. God was worthy of being praised like this

You'd be surprised at how much Islam & Catholicism have in common!


Perhaps we can start a new thread down the track to discuss these matters further.


God bless you & your family.

[wel_mel_2]

Bismillah:


I think better my wife come over here and respond to your post. but unfortunately she's not around these days.


I guess we are going to have very interesting discussion soon. Insh a Allah.


Salam


Wael.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


FHC


Although on another thread you clearly stated being here to ask questions and learn about Islam, yet, I thought the following link would help u see how othr Christians explain Jesus, I m not going to continue the discussion here, since the thread as I said was already hijacked, so if u want to comment, just feel free to pls start a new thread:


http://islamsms.com/bb/index.php?showtopic=2034&st=20


Read from post #35 onward.


FHC, just a quick note, not a single Muslim man would come and ask his wife to abort THEIR own child, a child is very dear to a Muslim family, so dear that they will be asked before Allah how did they raise him/her, including food, knowledge, clothing, education, health...etc.


A child in Islam is the neuclus of the Muslim Ummah, we dont sacrifice it that easily as u may have gotten the impression.


As for divorce, O if u know the steps that must be taken before a couple comes to this conlcusion. There is every possible encouragement to maintain the knot, so dont worry, if there is someone out there waiting for you to say yes. Just say yes. :) (girl's talk) :).

[Muslimah]

Bismillah


Bump, where is Fatima????

[Muslimah]

Bismillah

Just bringing up a very interesting thread.

[Muslimah]

Bismillah

Very informative thread, quite a good read!