Can Islam co exist with non Muslims

[Guest]

<i>Originally posted by Muslimah </i><b>as salam a`alaman itab`alhoda</b>

No u didnt struck a nerve, and Jazaki Allah khairan Jennifer for trying to put a point of order. True. And I wonder whose nerve was struck:confused:  

Sorry if I offended u by asking if you were an international relation student,

No offense taken, no need to apologise. The written word is easily misinterpreted.

<i>Originally posted by Muslimah </i><b></b>

And don't worry at all about strucking a nerve as long as you are maintain a respectful position while discussing, and I hope we discuss, Insh a Allah we will try to take from Allah's Name the All Patient, If Allah the Creator treats His servants who don't even believe in Him through this Name and more like the Merciful, who I am not to be patient with someone who is seeking knowledge Habib.

I know I tread a thin line when discussing peoples belief systems but I try to be as respectful as I can. Who am I to judge Islam ?

<i>Originally posted by Muslimah </i><b></b>

I was just trying to answer your points if u remember.

Any way Jennifer presented the concept of Jiziyah quite well (tax) I have an article on that in more detail if u r interested

And finally yes Islam is a way of life and all needed rules and regulations are contained in the well protected book of Quran Alhamdulelah

Well may be this will ease the tension:)

I didn't feel it was getting tense although my last little was probably not the right way to exit. Humour is not easy in text

[Guest]

Muslimah,

Anyway, have you got anything to say regarding the issue of paranoia on the "call to prayer" ? To me, in the grand scheme of things, it's not really a big issue but in the context of assimilating Islam into western civilisation, it may be.. sort of. You know, it just doesn't seem something to get worked up about when it is put in the context I described. It being a social issue rather than a religious issue.

It is the (to me) small things that can cause great divides.

[Muslimah]

HabibHibee, I did not ignore your post, just didn't have time. Besides I don't see actually a point to be discussed about the call for prayer. Again I wish u just have a set of objective questions which we may happily reply.

[Guest]

<i>Originally posted by Muslimah </i><b>HabibHibee, I did not ignore your post, just didn't have time. Besides I don't see actually a point to be discussed about the call for prayer. Again I wish u just have a set of objective questions which we may happily reply. </b>

The point being, you portay yourself (Muslims/Islam) as a victim because the call to prayer is not permitted over a loudspeaker in the United States. The US bans many "cultural" things, whether it be cokc fighting, bullfighting, dog fighting or sacrificing virgins (good luck finding one BTW).

And for some strange reason you also want to have prayers at the Vatican on a Friday :confused: Now this one is really odd because you were clearly having a swipe at the Vatican (not catholics) but I am not going to hold that against you. The Vatican has an ugly history for sure and even to this day are run by despicable people who continue to cover up the goings on of their priests and little boys. But why would you want to initiate a muslim prayer night there unless to antagonise the catholics ?

[Ahmed Abdullah]

Hello,

Nobody here called themselves "a victim" because the Adan can not be called over the load speakers in the US. It is not a big deal and the only one here is you making a big deal about it. We can preform it in our Masjid on the loudspeaker.

Sister Muslimah is not in the US and the point she was trying to make was would they allow our friday prayer at the Vaticant. (it is not at night btw) It is not to "antagonize" them, just an example that it would not be allowed there, but in a Muslim country you could ring your bells and all that stuff. Get it now???

Who is the one paranoid anyway?:confused: I have read over the posts and I do not see it.

One last question. What does HabibHibee meen anyway? I know what Habib meens... because I am Habib Allah!!!

[Guest]

<i>Originally posted by Brother Todd </i><b>Hello,</b>

Nobody here called themselves \"a victim\" because the Adan can not be called over the load speakers in the US.  It is not a big deal and the only one here is you making a big deal about it.  We can preform it in our Masjid on the loudspeaker.

Sister Muslimah is not in the US and the point she was trying to make was would they allow our friday prayer at the Vaticant. (it is not at night btw) It is not to \"antagonize\" them, just an example that it would not be allowed there, but in a Muslim country you could ring your bells and all that stuff.  Get it now???  

Who is the one paranoid anyway?:confused: I have read over the posts and I do not see it.

One last question.  What does HabibHibee meen anyway?  I know what Habib meens... because I am Habib Allah!!!

Woah there. Just asking for clarification on a couple of statements from sister muslimah. But you have clarified the point on the Vatican and Friday prayers. which was not apparant to me. Fair enough. I didn't think it was big deal but wanted to know why muslimah mentioned the call to prayer in the US at all, particularly since muslimah is not in the US.

Just for the record, I am more in favour of peace and quiet rather than ringing of bells or calling to prayer or some idiot blaring their car stereo at some early hour. It's just a noise to me, I don't differentiate between a muslim noise or a christian noise. See, you are making me feel paranoid about talking about it now !

Habib is just a random name, Hibee is the nickname for the football team I support. :cool:

What does Habib mean ? I thought it was an Arabic name.

[Ahmed Abdullah]

Hello again,

I must clarify something here, I thought habib ment someting else. I thought it meant one who loves, I found its correct meaning, and is beloved. Our prophet (SAW) is Habib Allah. I hope everone can forgive me of my mistake. May Allah forgive me In sha Allah.

[Muslimah]

Jazakum Allah khairan katheeran Todd for explaining exactly what I meant, I was beginning to doubt my ability to express, may be my english style was not clear enough to Habib. And no need to apologize, we are all Insh a Allah ahbab u Allah. And yes Habib means the beloved or loved one.

Alhamdulelah HabibHibee, hope all points are settled now.

No victims no paranoia just simply an example OK OK OK

[Muslimah]

as salam a`alaman itaba`alhoda

Well HabibHibee out of my duty and in an effort to get this thread back to the main topic, here is another verse that clearly explains the guidlines of dealing with non Muslims:

"Allâh does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allâh loves those who deal with equity." (Quran 60:8)

[Guest]

OK, fair enough.

Someone, somewhere has got their wires crossed then. Is there not some "strain" of Islamic followers Wahabbis (spelling) that are not tolerant of other religions, non believers and apostates ?

Isn't Saudie riddled with this kind of fundamentalist belief. For sure, wasn't Bin Laden's ire directed as the USA because of the "Infidels" on the Saudie land ?

If so, what are these people thinking ? Where are they getting these ideas from ?