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It is true Shamms, really interesting. As I said on my previous post, how people take bits and pieces, just to ensure their wrong position is not wrong. I understand how you feel. you need to say it loud enough that Islam is flawed. I can understand this.
You overlooked an important part in my post:
you need to look at it from a global viewpoint. Like for example,<strong> a wife is entitled to ask for divorce if her husband turned his back in bed.</strong>
Why did you overlook this??
That is why I told you what Islam is all about not because I m calling you to Islam.
And I m not answering on Wael's behalf, but I assume he could not watch the video, not that he didnot care and yet wanted to provide an answer to serve the purpose.
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11-24-2010, 08:33 AM
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Assalamo Alikum,
'AlShamms'
I did not watch the video because most of the time I am in China and Youtube and all ‘cool’ websites have been blocked here, but I do have an idea about the topic itself and that’s why I jumped in to offer some answers.
Quoting the Bible is just a natural reaction for me, no tactics or anything intended. I only wanted you or anyone who has got a problem with the teaching of Islam to reflect over his own problem first before trying to find faults in others’.
Now coming back to the topic which is bothering you alot. I am going to watch that video tomorrow or day after when I go to Hong Kong City insh a Allah and will revert back to you with more answers and comments. But meanwhile, according to qualified scholars (
yes qualified
) they allowed women who were abused and beaten by their husbands to seek divorce and to leave the house and go to their family for protection. However, the beating that I have explained earlier only applies to those
NASHEZ
wives and not to the humble, religious, and obedient ones, and it is only to be done with the intention of saving the marriage.
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And while missing me :rolleyes: enjoy this
Marital rape in Islam !
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Quote:Assalamo Alikum,
'AlShamms'
I did not watch the video because most of the time I am in China and Youtube and all ‘cool’ websites have been blocked here, but
I do have an idea about the topic itself and that’s why I jumped in to offer some answers.
This is what I thought!:))
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11-25-2010, 09:23 PM
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Assalamo Alikum,
I have seen the video, and I really could not find anything taboo about it! The Sheikh is talking about those NASHEZ women (although he did not mention the term). If abstaining from having lawful sexual intercourse with one’s husband could lead to adultery, then the husband might tap her a little bit to prevent a great evil from happening. (Otherwise, where else the husband will go to satisfy his need?) In other cases, I believe the previous links are sufficient to put all doubts aside. But for more videos on this matter you may watch the follow the following:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1XCx3Lwu...re=related
This one in particular I like, it doesn’t specifically talk about the topic at hand, but it has a great deal concerning the rights of women in Islam VS. The westerners
<div><iframe width="459" height="344" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Y674CzB_uAo?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe></div>
I think we are done with this thread
:)
If there will be anymore argument, then I am going to use the Bible :) (just kidding)
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Quote:You overlooked an important part in my post:
you need to look at it from a global viewpoint. Like for example,<strong> a wife is entitled to ask for divorce if her husband turned his back in bed.</strong>
Why did you overlook this??
Hey there...
I didn't overlook it, I didn't see what bearing it had on the topic at hand. A man gets to beat his wife, but the wife can ask for a divorce if he turns his back to her while sleeping...seems very one sided to me.
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Quote:Assalamo Alikum,
'AlShamms'
I did not watch the video because most of the time I am in China and Youtube and all ‘cool’ websites have been blocked here, but I do have an idea about the topic itself and that’s why I jumped in to offer some answers.
But that's the point I was making. This entire topic is based on the comments of the speaker in the video. So while you may have knowledge of the topic, you can't properly respond because you haven't seen what the speaker was saying, what points to address, etc.
Quote:Quoting the Bible is just a natural reaction for me, no tactics or anything intended. I only wanted you or anyone who has got a problem with the teaching of Islam to reflect over his own problem first before trying to find faults in others’.
Again, that's the point I'm making, that is called a deflective tactic. Instead of addressing the topic, you throw out the distraction of "see what the bible says". Then, you don't handle the material of the Bible with the same level of scholarship that you do your own book. Which is disingenuous.
Quote:<span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="font-family:Garamond;">Now coming back to the topic which is bothering you alot. I am going to watch that video tomorrow or day after when I go to Hong Kong City insh a Allah and will revert back to you with more answers and comments. But meanwhile, according to qualified scholars (
</span></span><span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="font-family:Garamond;">yes qualified
</span></span><span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="font-family:Garamond;">) they allowed women who were abused and beaten by their husbands to seek divorce and to leave the house and go to their family for protection. However, the beating that I have explained earlier only applies to those
</span></span><span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="font-family:Garamond;">NASHEZ
</span></span><span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="font-family:Garamond;"> wives and not to the humble, religious, and obedient ones, and it is only to be done with the intention of saving the marriage.
</span></span>
<span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="font-family:Garamond;">So beating one's wife is only reserved for disobedient wives. Question: Who determines what is considered disobedient? Example: If I ask for some food, and she doesn't get it to me quick enough, can I beat her to remind her to feed me faster?
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No Shamms, if you were a man, you can not beat your wife to get her to feed you faster.
One very important point here that should be made.
Did the Messenger blessing and peace be upon him even beaten one of his wives???
The answer is no.
According to hadeeth:
Narrated under the authority of Anas: The messenger had never beaten a wife of domestic helper"
More hadeeth on this issue will follow In sha Allah for the benefit of all, not to convince you Shamms.
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Shamms, just wanted to clarify a point for you and reepi, Please do not think that I get offended by the way you challenge the posts or even the way you dig further for answers or to be more precise, the way you reply. The more you ask, the more you understand In sha Allah.
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Muslimah wrote:
> the more you ask, the more you understand In sha Allah.
What I understand is this: Allah says that there is absolutely nothing wrong with a man beating and raping his wife. I will never believe that wife beating and rape are "good" things. Therefore, even if I become a muslim, Allah will sent be straight to hell because I believe in showing compassion to women, and not beating and raping them as Allah both permits and commands.
Do you agree, Muslimah, that unless I become a wife beating rapist (or, at a minimum, honestly believe that there is absolutely nothing wrong a man beating and raping his wife) I will never make it into heaven?
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Reepi, did you read this post before posing a question as you would go to hell if you do not believe beating your wife is good?
I will reply In sha Allah. But read this post and ponder.
Quote:Bismillah
No Shamms, if you were a man, you can not beat your wife to get her to feed you faster.
One very important point here that should be made.
Did the Messenger blessing and peace be upon him even beaten one of his wives???
The answer is no.
According to hadeeth:
Narrated under the authority of Anas: The messenger had never beaten a wife of domestic helper"
More hadeeth on this issue will follow In sha Allah for the benefit of all, not to convince you Shamms.
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